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Re: The last day

#131
post #117

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Your problems hurt simply because you are so sorry for yourself. Get over yourself.

> Get over yourself. I have a deadline and more important stuff to do right now, but seeing your answer and presuming (possibly wrong) that the parent has gone through some sort of "depression", I have to say that these "get over yourself" and "it's all in your head"-type of answers are mightily infuriating. They don't solve anything, they make it worse. Otherwise, yes, this is a "first world problem".

I am actually a bit sorry, I guess I was in a foul mood. I just couldn't relate much to that feeling of entitlement. I don't necessarily think that guy is going through a depression, though.

He did something, it failed. It is normal to be sad about that for a while. No special intervention might be necessary.

Re: The last day

#132
post #54

The amount of privilege built into this "painful failure" is disquieting. Here's a person whose biggest problem in life appears to be that he's in debt and, for the moment, unemployed. But: he was the CEO of a company funded to the tune of 8xFTE, and can thus almost certainly walk into hundreds of VP/Product Management or Business Development roles immediately, all of which will pay him more than any of his technical…

> The amount of privilege built into this "painful failure" is disquieting.

The word "privilege" is one of those politically correct Newspeak words that always stops me dead in my tracks. It's a shibboleth of a whole bunch of broken thinking, and worse than that, it's a term that tries to bake in conclusions to the assumptions of an argument, so that once one engages with the argument, unaware of the land mine that's been laid there, there's no way to win.

privilege - n - a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor

When someone uses the word "privilege" we're supposed to immediately agree that "They" - the great unspecified "they" - gave one person special keys to the system (and we're usually supposed to believe that these keys were handed over because someone lucked into the right skin color or gender).

So tptacek is baking into his argument the default assumption that someone HANDED chernevik the unearned right and power to start a company - a right and power that was denied to the vast majority of other people - because of the family he was born into or the color of his skin or something.

I find this argument deeply arrogant and condescending. ANYONE can start a company, whether their skin is white, brown, blue or green, and whether their genitals are male, female, mixed or missing, and whether their ancestry and culture is European, Indian, Zulu or Russian.

The deconstructionist / academic / relativist / social justice world view that travels with the word "privileged" wants us to believe that we should care less about any one individual who comes from the "privileged class", because this person was already "given" so much by dint of accident of birth.

Every heart break is unique. I care about the poor bastard unionized welder who made $70/hr for something that a robot now does. And I care about the entrepreneur who shuts down his business and loses his house. They're both human beings.

The word "privilege" and the world-view that generates the term is snark and arrogant and status posturing. If a white sorority girl breaks a nail and is upset, then the social critic who points and yells the p-word reveals himself to be so much BETTER. HE is the one who REALLY cares, who REALLY appreciates the moral subtley of the universe and has the deep vision to see the TRUE VICTIMS.

> Shit that is too boring to be the topic of a news story at the top of HN.

And yet, the actual inhabitants of HN thought quite a lot of it and voted it to the top position. So you're opinions are out of touch with what the people here think.

> Shit that happens to people who aren't lucky enough to be in the middle of the startup economy, and that happens approximately all the time.

Do you think you're the only one here who appreciates that it sucks to be born into a slum in South America, or to lose your house in a hurricane, or to be laid off from a manufacturing job at age 59?

We all get it.

Don't arrogate to yourself the belief that you're the only one here who has compassion - that we're all autistics.

> Please: I'm not saying that startup people are so lucky that they're not allowed to be unhappy when their companies fail. I am saying something else that is more subtle than that.

I'm not convinced of that.

Re: The last day

#133
post #54

The amount of privilege built into this "painful failure" is disquieting. Here's a person whose biggest problem in life appears to be that he's in debt and, for the moment, unemployed. But: he was the CEO of a company funded to the tune of 8xFTE, and can thus almost certainly walk into hundreds of VP/Product Management or Business Development roles immediately, all of which will pay him more than any of his technical…

This is unfair. If you draw out this line of thinking, pretty much all tragedy is whining. Shakespeare would go like this: ROMEO: That Juliet chick is hot! BENVOLIO: Dude, she's Capulet. Find some other ho, plenty of fish in the sea. ROMEO: Good point. FIN. Perspective is by definition subjective. Some people are thrilled to be the first member of their family to go to college. Others commit suicide when they don't g…

Your version of Romeo & Juliet might have worked out a lot better for all people involved, though.

Re: The last day

#134
post #76

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Again: it's not that there are people in the world who are worse off. There are always people in the world that are worse off. Most people in the world are much worse off than most Americans. It's that most Americans are worse off than this person. This is startup exceptionalism. It is the intersection between nerd exceptionalism and the myth of the heroic entrepreneur, both of which are virulent memes in our culture…

If I break your jaw -- funny how that's the example that springs to mind -- are you going to sit in the ambulance celebrating the outstanding First World medical care you're about to receive? Or are you going to be saying Jesus Christ this fucking hurts? How effective an anesthetic will Perspective be? You can be right and Wrong at the same time. Figure it out.

It is too late to edit the above. I was trying to convey irritation and even anger, but many seem to think I've gone over the edge to hostile or even threatening. I should written more carefully.

Posting while drunk is one thing. Posting angry while drunk is one thing. Veering near someone's personal space while drunk and angry, probably not such a good idea. I apologize for any alarm I caused.

Re: The last day

#135
post #54

The amount of privilege built into this "painful failure" is disquieting. Here's a person whose biggest problem in life appears to be that he's in debt and, for the moment, unemployed. But: he was the CEO of a company funded to the tune of 8xFTE, and can thus almost certainly walk into hundreds of VP/Product Management or Business Development roles immediately, all of which will pay him more than any of his technical…

The "hottest sector of the entire economy" might be true in certain areas of the US, but it certainly isnt true for the whole world. There are alot of places without a Facebook, Google, MSFT and where technical people dont per se earn six figure salaries... Who knows where this guy is from ?

Re: The last day

#136
post #76

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Fuck you. I daresay my problems are somewhat worse than those of the OP's CEO. He isn't in a divorce, doesn't have kids, does he? And yeah, even if my problems are worse, they're still distinctly First World. It isn't as if I have trouble finding potable water for my kids, or have to worry about teenager "soldiers" raping my daughter. So maybe I too am Entitled. And perhaps I too should just Shut Up. But I don't thin…

Again: it's not that there are people in the world who are worse off. There are always people in the world that are worse off. Most people in the world are much worse off than most Americans. It's that most Americans are worse off than this person. This is startup exceptionalism. It is the intersection between nerd exceptionalism and the myth of the heroic entrepreneur, both of which are virulent memes in our culture…

You know what? I'm not so sure that "most Americans" are worse off than this person. Certainly not in this moment of recent unemployment: even if they might envy his life at other times, most people would have the decency to look at this moment of this man's life and show some sympathy.

Your perspective -that the presence of pain you perceive to be "greater" invalidates what pain you perceive to be "lesser"- is warped beyond decency. Some might even define it as evil; I would not go that far, but such casual dismissal of pain as you demonstrate is Not OK.

Re: The last day

#137

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Of course it probably isn't healthy to make a business the center of your life If you don't, though, you will likely be outcompeted by those who do. It's a simple, obvious truth, not a value judgement.

It's a falsehood that appears intuitively obvious. Working stupid hours destroys not only your productivity and personal life but also your judgment, to the extent that you lose the ability to judge your degree of cognitive impairment. It's like coming into work blind drunk: not only are you a liability to yourself and others but you don't realize how much of a liability you are. You may well end up being outcompeted…

I didn't say anything about "working stupid hours," did I? However:

You may well end up being outcompeted by someone who put in forty hours a week of smart, correctly applied work.

Let me know when that actually happens.

Re: The last day

#138
post #90

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Of course it probably isn't healthy to make a business the center of your life If you don't, though, you will likely be outcompeted by those who do. It's a simple, obvious truth, not a value judgement.

Are you really being outcompeted if the startup winds up going basically nowhere and you've put a year or two of huge time and opportunity costs into a failure? What if startups weren't worth it unless they were well-run enough to require very few hours over 40 from its employees?

What if startups weren't worth it unless they were well-run enough to require very few hours over 40 from its employees

Are we talking about employees, or founders?

Re: The last day

#139
post #99

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Hell, I bet Hitler felt sorry for himself after losing WWII and killing millions of people, and that was just as valid. So do we have a link to a Downfall parody for HN startups?

Haha I knew someone was going to latch on to the Hitler comment. And also, that would be hilarious. Why hasn't that been done yet? There's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-mviqUn95s

Parenthetically, my own First World Nightmare scenario involves working with people like the ones who commented in that video. ("500 Startups does not want to be associated with Hitler... I know people whose families were murdered by the Nazis. I hope you decide to take this video down.")

Laughter in the face of evil is perhaps civilization's last, best strike against it. It's a shame the butthurt commenters didn't understand that. All they have to do is put themselves in Hitler's shoes and imagine his fury at these parodies... but that requires stepping outside their own worldview for a moment, and setting aside the indignation they've earned by being a vicarious victim.

I'm glad the submitter didn't actually take the video down a year ago, despite saying he was going to, and despite the fact that it evidently cost him some karma points among people he respected.

Re: The last day

#140
post #76

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Fuck you. I daresay my problems are somewhat worse than those of the OP's CEO. He isn't in a divorce, doesn't have kids, does he? And yeah, even if my problems are worse, they're still distinctly First World. It isn't as if I have trouble finding potable water for my kids, or have to worry about teenager "soldiers" raping my daughter. So maybe I too am Entitled. And perhaps I too should just Shut Up. But I don't thin…

Again: it's not that there are people in the world who are worse off. There are always people in the world that are worse off. Most people in the world are much worse off than most Americans. It's that most Americans are worse off than this person. This is startup exceptionalism. It is the intersection between nerd exceptionalism and the myth of the heroic entrepreneur, both of which are virulent memes in our culture…

> It's that most Americans are worse off than this person.

Why should anyone care more about Americans than people accidentally born somewhere else?

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