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Re: Grok Build

#21

Post by ofek »

I won't be able to fully test because the interactive prompt gates on the user having an advanced subscription (I already pay $40 a month) which for now doesn't seem to be worth it.

However, the TUI as shown in a post [0] by one of their engineers is quite beautiful. For a moment I thought it was written in Python because it looks similar to Textual [1] but I inspected the binary for my platform [2] and it seems to be written in Rust. I guess Ratatui is quite customizable!

The state of its Windows support is unclear to me. The Bash installer script [3] has a comment on top that says "Windows: run under Git for Windows / MSYS2 Bash (same curl | bash flow); WSL uses the Linux binary." I ran the binary normally in a Nushell session and didn't encounter any issue other than a start-up time that was slower than expected on the first run. Perhaps I would have seen issues had I gotten past the login step.

[0]: https://x.com/skcd42/status/2054993372662915183

[1]: https://github.com/Textualize/textual

[2]: https://storage.googleapis.com/grok-build-public-artifacts/c...

[3]: https://x.ai/cli/install.sh

Re: Grok Build

#22

Post by lostmsu »

Donald wrote: post #17
SwellJoe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure they all do. $ claude -h Usage: claude [options] [command] [prompt] Claude Code - starts an interactive session by default, use -p/--print for non-interactive output $ gemini -h Usage: gemini [options] [command] Gemini CLI - Defaults to interactive mode. Use -p/--prompt for non-interactive (headless) mode. $ copilot -h Usage: copilot [options] [command] GitHub Copilot CLI - An AI-powered coding assistant.…

Anthropic has made a recent change that Claude Code will only bill extra usage for the print / non-interactive mode: > Starting June 15, 2026, Claude Agent SDK and claude -p usage no longer counts toward your Claude plan’s usage limits. Your subscription usage limits stay the same and stay reserved for interactive use of Claude Code, Claude Cowork, and Claude.

What does "no longer counts" mean here? Is it going to be free on automated runs? Is it going to be banned entirely on sub and will work with credits only?

Re: Grok Build

#23

Post by skp1995 »

ofek wrote: post #21

I won't be able to fully test because the interactive prompt gates on the user having an advanced subscription (I already pay $40 a month) which for now doesn't seem to be worth it. However, the TUI as shown in a post [0] by one of their engineers is quite beautiful. For a moment I thought it was written in Python because it looks similar to Textual [1] but I inspected the binary for my platform [2] and it seems to b…

hey I am the engineer who worked on the TUI and harness and happy to answer your questions.

We worked quite heavily on the TUI, its written in ratatui and we did try to go the extra mile to make sure that there won't be any regressions from moving to an alt-screen rendering. Lots and lots of small details to manage and get correct, we also tried to get vim keybindings correct while keeping it mouse friendly.

Re: Grok Build

#24

Post by skp1995 »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #3

> Headless mode (-p) allows easily running agents inside scripts and automations. The CLI also provides full ACP support to build your own bots and agent orchestration apps. Good, they are explicitly supporting automation similar to OpenAI.

yes! we wanted to make sure that the binary works in your editors or via `-p`, no point in standing guard to how you would want to use it.

Re: Grok Build

#25

Post by SwellJoe »

lostmsu wrote: post #22
Donald wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic has made a recent change that Claude Code will only bill extra usage for the print / non-interactive mode: > Starting June 15, 2026, Claude Agent SDK and claude -p usage no longer counts toward your Claude plan’s usage limits. Your subscription usage limits stay the same and stay reserved for interactive use of Claude Code, Claude Cowork, and Claude.

What does "no longer counts" mean here? Is it going to be free on automated runs? Is it going to be banned entirely on sub and will work with credits only?

Counted separately, and you get an included amount of tokens equal to the cost of your subscription.

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

Re: Grok Build

#26

Post by skp1995 »

ofek wrote: post #21

I won't be able to fully test because the interactive prompt gates on the user having an advanced subscription (I already pay $40 a month) which for now doesn't seem to be worth it. However, the TUI as shown in a post [0] by one of their engineers is quite beautiful. For a moment I thought it was written in Python because it looks similar to Textual [1] but I inspected the binary for my platform [2] and it seems to b…

> The state of its Windows support is unclear to me.

yeah this one is a bit weird, you can run the linux binary using WSL and that should work. We have a window flavor build but its not as heavily tested yet (we are figuring out a better testing flow for windows)

Re: Grok Build

#27

Post by MagicMoonlight »

bonesss wrote: post #11
rvz wrote: post #9

Only $300 a month. (Or $3,000 a year.) The xAI casino wants all of your money even if you don't use it for a month.

I’m still flabbergasted by the business model, it reminds me of SEO services: if you were any kind of good at it there is infinite money to be made partnering with established players and selling goods and services directly. Selling tools to others when you’re not using them yourself says everything about the underlying utility of what’s being sold. xAI could be threatening Office, or Windows, or Unreal Engine, Chrom…

I mean you could say that about anything.

“If you’re so good at building salesforce, why don’t you simply sell paper yourself?”

Re: Grok Build

#28

Post by timmytokyo »

Alifatisk wrote: post #16

Whats the use case for Grok over the others? Close integration with Twitter is the only thing I can come up with.

I guess it's cool if you like "white genocide" sprinkled randomly throughout the output.

Re: Grok Build

#29

Post by ofek »

skp1995 wrote: post #26
ofek wrote: post #21

I won't be able to fully test because the interactive prompt gates on the user having an advanced subscription (I already pay $40 a month) which for now doesn't seem to be worth it. However, the TUI as shown in a post [0] by one of their engineers is quite beautiful. For a moment I thought it was written in Python because it looks similar to Textual [1] but I inspected the binary for my platform [2] and it seems to b…

> The state of its Windows support is unclear to me. yeah this one is a bit weird, you can run the linux binary using WSL and that should work. We have a window flavor build but its not as heavily tested yet (we are figuring out a better testing flow for windows)

Thanks for the clarification! I'm sure your team is already aware but Windows users perceive support as native binaries (no WSL) that can run in a normal environment (no Git Bash or Linux utilities).

Re: Grok Build

#30

Post by bonesss »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #27
bonesss wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m still flabbergasted by the business model, it reminds me of SEO services: if you were any kind of good at it there is infinite money to be made partnering with established players and selling goods and services directly. Selling tools to others when you’re not using them yourself says everything about the underlying utility of what’s being sold. xAI could be threatening Office, or Windows, or Unreal Engine, Chrom…

I mean you could say that about anything. “If you’re so good at building salesforce, why don’t you simply sell paper yourself?”

No, you really can’t.

Centrally, I mentioned partnering, and specifically in the context of tools being sold for less value than the profit they could make. That is is fundamentally different to the retort provided (direct sales of paper).

The issue applies quite specifically to tooling and services (ie SEO and super coding LLMs), that improve customer profitability through capabilities. If the tool/service utility is so high and profitable then selling it to third parties is far less profitable than leveraging the tool/service fully as an owner.

If someone is selling you something for less money than they can make using that thing, the business model is suspicious. Scams, normally.

What unique process advantage does SalesForce sell that applies to paper production and end customer delivery? None. Cutting edge coding agents with cheap tokens for any IT work? Massive, in theory…

If SalesForce is selling a subscription tool that makes my paper cost 30% less, why not partner with the #3 largest paper supplier, fully integrate and give them a 30%+ exclusive competitive advantage, making SalesForce a part owner of the #1 paper company? … one of those business models relies on scale, credit cards, and customer loyalty for small money, the other only on effective technology for huge money (and far less risk).

This is not a new point, there are well regarded essays breaking it down. “I’m so rich I want to sell you info about how to sell instead of more money for less work.”, is a scammy pitch present in MLMs, bad Real Estate courses, Get Rich courses, etc.

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