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The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by bluefirebrand »

arjie wrote: post #15

Technologiae mutantur et nos mutamur in illis It's okay to change. We've done it for years, decades, centuries, and millennia and the default change-aversion of people means that I am averse to allowing a universal veto. Much of technology is truly optional. The Amish have a very successful way of living (5000 to 500,000 in 100 years) and they eschew most modern technology. The sculpting described is clearly optional…

> Much of technology is truly optional

It should be yes, but is it in practice? There's plenty of places now you can't even park without a smartphone for a payment app.

It should be optional to own a smart phone, but in many places it's starting to be mandatory. Even if not actually mandatory, it's a pretty big impediment if you don't have one.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by throw-the-towel »

“I think, and my thoughts cross the barrier into the synapses of the machine, just as the good doctor intended. But what I cannot shake, and what hints at things to come, is that thoughts cross back. In my dreams, the sensibility of the machine invades the periphery of my consciousness: dark, rigid, cold, alien. Evolution is at work here, but just what is evolving remains to be seen.”

— Commissioner Pravin Lal, “Man and Machine”

I'd really encourage everyone to check out Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. What an underrated game.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by throwway120385 »

moate wrote: post #18
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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IDK why I'm helping with the Trashcan Man, but it's been a weird day... >>Most of the people pushing these technologies (A.I., brain chip interfaces, cybernetics, etc...) are Luciferians and transhumanists. I think you can eliminate the word "most" when you say that the people who push brain chip interfaces/cybernetics are transhumanists. That's literally the definition of transhumanism. Just from a grammatical sense…

Sometimes cranks have interesting things to say. It's just challenging getting past the crankyness to get there.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by mwigdahl »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #10
bpavuk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the username checks out. now let's approach this seriously: > Most of the people pushing [...] are Luciferians and transhumanists. transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position. > Lucifer thought he could do better than God, and many o…

> the username checks out. Very original. > transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position. Which transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity? If you're approaching this seriously then provide names please. There have been plenty of Luci…

Teilhard de Chardin was, for one.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by IX-103 »

moffkalast wrote: post #21
jackbravo wrote: post #3

Hearing about aligning with the AI reminds me of this other post about the current prophecies about AI: “Everyone will have an AI assistant,” or “Companies that fail to adopt AI will be eliminated.” and that > the power of prophecy lies not in accurately predicting the future, but in shaping it https://projectlibertynewsletter.substack.com/p/reject-ai-pr... We need better prophecies.

Everyone will have an AI assistant! The models will be open and free because of overwhelming competition and they will run on cheap local ASIC accelerators that use little power and fit in the palm of your hand! All the VC driven wild spenders will eventually cave and collapse when they can't deliver on their wild AGI promises, then their proprietary models will be sold at auctions for cheap! (I am being proactive he…

Yes, exactly. Moore's law says that in less than 10 years you will be able to fit today's state of the art models on your phone. If you add in all of the computationally and memory neutral improvements and breakthroughs that we will accumulate over the next 10 years then it will be both far more capable and far more reliable than today's models.

An AI assistant you can trust and bring with you is coming, and almost nothing can stop it.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by edbaskerville »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #10
bpavuk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the username checks out. now let's approach this seriously: > Most of the people pushing [...] are Luciferians and transhumanists. transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position. > Lucifer thought he could do better than God, and many o…

> the username checks out. Very original. > transhumanists - yes. Luciferians - this definition is a lot more broad, branched, and complex. one transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity (or at least seems to be; also pun intended) and most others have an atheistic position. Which transhumanist is hell-bent on Christianity? If you're approaching this seriously then provide names please. There have been plenty of Luci…

Maybe they mean Thiel?

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by teekert »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #32

“I think, and my thoughts cross the barrier into the synapses of the machine, just as the good doctor intended. But what I cannot shake, and what hints at things to come, is that thoughts cross back. In my dreams, the sensibility of the machine invades the periphery of my consciousness: dark, rigid, cold, alien. Evolution is at work here, but just what is evolving remains to be seen.” — Commissioner Pravin Lal, “Man…

I do wonder how is evolution at play there?

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by jaggederest »

asdff wrote: post #29
GolfPopper wrote: post #16

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Corporations are tired of running on messy biological human substrate. The sooner they can move entirely to steel and silicon, the happier they'll be. Just look up the classic story on the interaction of civilization and corporate growth, At the Mountains of Madness for how that goes.

They ran on the messy biological human substrate because it was astoundingly cheap compared to engineering better factories. The video going around now of the robot pushing packages down a conveyor belt is so baffling to me. Why are we building a humanoid robot capable of pushing a clog of packages across a conveyor belt, when we could just make a conveyor belt that does not clog up and require a human or a robot to…

As with many things that have a percentile failure mode, it's almost always cheaper to build something flexible that can handle issues than it is to design a perfect widget that never fails.

This is where humans came in in autonomation, the toyota version of automation. When you try to eliminate adaptability and adjustment entirely, the whole system becomes only metastable / fragile.

Re: The people writing AI alignment policy are not whose work is being replaced

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

IX-103 wrote: post #36
moffkalast wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone will have an AI assistant! The models will be open and free because of overwhelming competition and they will run on cheap local ASIC accelerators that use little power and fit in the palm of your hand! All the VC driven wild spenders will eventually cave and collapse when they can't deliver on their wild AGI promises, then their proprietary models will be sold at auctions for cheap! (I am being proactive he…

Yes, exactly. Moore's law says that in less than 10 years you will be able to fit today's state of the art models on your phone. If you add in all of the computationally and memory neutral improvements and breakthroughs that we will accumulate over the next 10 years then it will be both far more capable and far more reliable than today's models. An AI assistant you can trust and bring with you is coming, and almost n…

Ah yes the -2nm node.
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