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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #141

Open-source car, please.

https://rangerovers.pub/downloads/rave.zip

Can't do the design bits, but there's full service manuals for any 1990s to early 2000s Landrover. Only NAS models, unfortunately, so for some things in UK/EU you need to interpolate a little.

Notice the complete absence of phone-home GSM modems or other tracking stuff?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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We need more posts like this. I'd love a follow-up where instead of removing it injects fake data to the system. I am tired of passively being digitally assaulted. If they are going to do this to me without my knowing consent I want to fight back.

Just be aware, this is something that will be noticed. I've been building analytics systems for a while now and have had people do this. Usually it gets picked up by the anomaly detection system or as an alert in the ETL pipeline when we try to transform it.

Personally, I just plop it into a "dead letter office" table, then verify it's not malicious. But it's possible other companies would handle this differently.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Buy Nissan instead, they will do that for you free of charge. I own 2021 Nissan Leaf and Nissan sent me an email early this year telling that the communication infrastructure costs too much for them and they are taking it down. Jokes aside, I am seriously pissed at Nissan because it was one of reasons I bought it in the first place: to pre-heat or pre-cool the car remotely before going to work, while it is still plug…

That is crazy. 5 years and they are already shutting down the servers? They should be forced to open up the API when they shut it down. Running a replica yourself should be pretty doable.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #46

I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.

I cannot imagine the lack of concern about my privacy that it would take to make me daily-drive a car that hadn't been put through this process. (I dread the day my 2007 Civic is no longer usable.)

My daily is a 1997 Range Rover. You want to update the computer? Sure, you need to remove the desktop PC-sized box of 68HC11-family chips from under the driver's seat and desolder the two big 144-pin ones.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #5

> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…

And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.

> And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do.

Maybe, but what happens without the mod described is that Google and Apple track you in addition to the telecom company. That, of course, assumes that you carry a cell phone tied to your identity. Some people refuse to carry cell phones altogether because of the privacy implications, or use them mostly in airplane mode with an anonymous SIM for backup.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a great startup idea - airbnb but it's for renting out your car. Nothing could possibly go wrong!

New Zealand had a service called YourDrive[1] that was pitched exactly as "AirBnB for cars"[2]. I used it a couple of times and it was great, super affordable. Unfortunately they didn't survive the Covid crunch. [1] https://www.drivencarguide.co.nz/news/new-zealand-startup-le... [2] https://thespinoff.co.nz/partner/17-09-2017/the-airbnb-for-c...

Thanks for the link. I once again find myself in that exceedingly strange zone where satire and reality become undifferentiable and I begin questioning my understanding of the world.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #192

There's a fortune to be made for whomever produces a car that has minimal features, and and electric-drivetrain with onboard gasoline generator. No screens, knobs and buttons, no assists. Extra fortune if you can licence designs and revive some of the old-and-loved classics with new safety features.

> electric-drivetrain with onboard gasoline generator Generally speaking, it's more efficient to power a car using a series-parallel hybrid system than an electric drivetrain with generator (series hybrid) while not really being any more complicated. In a series hybrid (electric with generator), you're losing energy converting the rotational energy into electric energy. It's better to use the engine's output to power…

> Automatic Emergency Braking is going to be required in the US in 2029 (detecting frontal crashes about to happen and automatically braking, including pedestrian detection).

I'm never going to want to drive a car that has that.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

#209
post #46

I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.

Step 1. Be very, very single

When I was a younger man, audio visual forums used to have an unfortunately sexist, but fairly good conceptual measure they called “wife acceptance factor”. It should really just be partner acceptance factor. Regardless of whom you are with, I hope they would physically intervene before letting you do this. What is the point? All of these posts feel like they miss the forest for the trees. Don’t like This Modern World? Fair enough, start by leaving your phone at home. Pay cash. And so forth. The author’s problems would be better solved by taking the bus. If you’re going to get into messing with cars, the wiring harness is not the place to start. Every trip to the dealer or any other mechanic is going to be painful right up until you finally give up and try to private sale the vehicle. At some point in that process, after you have dropped the price by over half the Kelley Blue Book value (or whatever Palantir shit replaces that) you may actually hear yourself explaining to the pleasantly smiling with a certain look in their eye non buyer about how you had to do this.

I will admit my bias. Fair play to the author for putting this all together but it reads like a very intricate aluminum foil hat.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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> Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. How is this the case? I thought bluetooth was just sharing my phone's audio. Why would it allow requests over the internet? Surely there's a way to tell the phone not to give its internet connection to any conne…

The bluetooth protocol includes the ability to network, and share connections like a mobile/personal hotspot.

Older versions of bluetooth may have other networking capabilities.

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