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Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by dgacmu »

some_random wrote: post #31
asHqar wrote: post #23

The US starves anyone it does not like from natural resources and subsequently makes them buy US natural resources. It has done this to the EU, now it is trying to do it to China and Cuba. This way they can control everyone.

The US is explicitly not letting Cuba buy US goods, that's literally the only thing it's doing.

As noted above: The US is threatening tariffs on any nation that sells oil to Cuba. That's quite different from simply refusing to trade with it, it's effectively preventing Cuba from buying oil from Mexico, among other sources.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

ricardobeat wrote: post #44
Manuel_D wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. The US and other countries are refusing to trade with Cuba, but plenty of other countries can and do trade with Cuba. Cuba is not entitled to trade with the US. A blockade is when a country stops traffic, from entering a country's ports. It's an act of war, and a totally different thing from an embargo.

Trump instituted tariffs on any country that sells oil to Cuba, it is effectively a blockade. It’s also in fact preventing ships carrying oil to reach the island, using their military, I wonder if there is a term for that.

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Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Psillisp »

mlmonkey wrote: post #4

I don't really understand the point of the embargo. I am an American. Picking on a tiny country like Cuba serves no purpose. The elites in Cuba are not going to suffer; the normal people will. Instead of acting like a bully, I wish our government would be more magnanimous and just drop the embargo.

A political tactician would call it a Wedge Issue.

A human would call it generational depravity of the powerful.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by ceejayoz »

Manuel_D wrote: post #52
ricardobeat wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump instituted tariffs on any country that sells oil to Cuba, it is effectively a blockade. It’s also in fact preventing ships carrying oil to reach the island, using their military, I wonder if there is a term for that.

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What legal justification could there possibly be for imposing a tarrif on Mexico-Cuba trade that doesn't involve the US at any point?

What would your reaction be if China imposed tariffs on US-Canadian border crossings and seized American ships over it?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by ashg100 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #37
asHqar wrote: post #23

The US starves anyone it does not like from natural resources and subsequently makes them buy US natural resources. It has done this to the EU, now it is trying to do it to China and Cuba. This way they can control everyone.

This is the exact opposite of what the US is doing to Cuba: The US isn't making Cuba by US resources, it's prohibiting Cuba from buying US resources and products.

They are threatening all other countries with secondary sanctions:

> "This dramatic worsening has a single cause: the genocidal energy blockade to which the United States subjects our country, threatening irrational tariffs against any nation that supplies us with fuel," Diaz-Canel wrote.

Once a regime change is accomplished, Cuba will buy US energy and not Iranian or Russian. So go the plans at least.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by api »

mlmonkey wrote: post #4

I don't really understand the point of the embargo. I am an American. Picking on a tiny country like Cuba serves no purpose. The elites in Cuba are not going to suffer; the normal people will. Instead of acting like a bully, I wish our government would be more magnanimous and just drop the embargo.

There's a sizable Cuban-American community that hates the regimes and wants to use the USA to overthrow it, and they're a swing voting bloc in Florida which has a lot of electoral votes. That's the point.

Deciding the Cold War is over, other countries get to decide their own political affairs, and normalizing trade with Cuba would benefit Americans.

That's also a minor gripe I have with the leftists who call this imperialism. Let's say it is. And it's benefiting me how? I thought imperialism was supposed to benefit the empire doing the imperialism-ing. (At least in theory.) This is costing us tons of money and international prestige.

(Not saying I support that kind of imperialism either, just making the point that this is lose-lose.)

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by dyauspitr »

Manuel_D wrote: post #22
WaxProlix wrote: post #6

What we're doing to the Cuban people with this blockade is criminal. I don't expect to see justice in my lifetime. What a miserable state of affairs.

The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. The US and other countries are refusing to trade with Cuba, but plenty of other countries can and do trade with Cuba. Cuba is not entitled to trade with the US. A blockade is when a country stops traffic, from entering a country's ports. It's an act of war, and a totally different thing from an embargo.

The US has pressured other countries to stop trading with Cuba. That’s effectively a blockade.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by daedrdev »

oceanplexian wrote: post #20
WaxProlix wrote: post #6

What we're doing to the Cuban people with this blockade is criminal. I don't expect to see justice in my lifetime. What a miserable state of affairs.

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This was the situation in the past, but the US has now forced Mexico and Vueneusalia to not ship Cuba gas. Of course the cuban economy is so weak it can't afford solar which could solved this, largely due to their own failures

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by elmomle »

Manuel_D wrote: post #22
WaxProlix wrote: post #6

What we're doing to the Cuban people with this blockade is criminal. I don't expect to see justice in my lifetime. What a miserable state of affairs.

The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. The US and other countries are refusing to trade with Cuba, but plenty of other countries can and do trade with Cuba. Cuba is not entitled to trade with the US. A blockade is when a country stops traffic, from entering a country's ports. It's an act of war, and a totally different thing from an embargo.

The US has been seizing fuel shipments en route to Cuba. What do you call that, if not a blockade?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by xp84 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #35
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So that the Capitalists could sell the industrial base of the United States of America to the Communist Party of China for 30 pieces of silver. Cuba didn't have the ability to break the back of American labor. China did. That's the difference.

I’m not even left wing but I have to admit I’m pretty sure this is a correct analysis.
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