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The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by abigail95 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #22
this_user wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not protecting "normal people". These types of laws are nothing but attempts at rent seeking by dying legacy media companies that were too incompetent to figure out working digital strategies on their own. And they would already be dead without the traffic that big platforms like Meta and Google are sending their way. If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one w…

>If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one who gets paid. These companies are instead trying to rig the system in such a way that the affiliate would be forced to pay them. It's an absurd and desperate proposal that deserves to be rejected. This isn't what is happening. People read the summarized headline/article on meta's turf and then don't go to the source article.…

Should HN links be compensated on a percentage of non-click-throughs? There are people who just come for the comments. Would you support this law being universal and not only applied to Meta/news?

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by bilekas »

this_user wrote: post #19
bilekas wrote: post #7

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> Tired of this overregulation Why ? When the alternative is to let companies to whatever makes the number go up at the expense of everyone else, regulation is the only thing to protect normal people.

You are not protecting "normal people". These types of laws are nothing but attempts at rent seeking by dying legacy media companies that were too incompetent to figure out working digital strategies on their own. And they would already be dead without the traffic that big platforms like Meta and Google are sending their way. If you send traffic to some e-commerce platform through an affiliate link, you are the one w…

While you might not like the legacy media, the fact is they're still doing some work. That work needs to be reimbursed?

If Meta and co create their own content, they're free to do with it what the like. I need to pay google maps for a certain amount of useage etc. Why should Meta and co get an exception on content ?

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by neksn »

The demographics of this site have changed so much that people here are applauding… that it is now illegal to embed opengraph information on Facebook? This is deranged. And it only happens because the government is in bed with legacy media. The government being in bed with the media is awful for the common person.

Embedding opengraph data is a clear case of fair use, and it’s sad to see all of this coming from a community that has long been against copyright.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by wholinator2 »

tekla wrote: post #25
Scarblac wrote: post #14

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Because you're doing it voluntarily.

Did I hallucinate several years of discourse about volunteer work on the internet should be paid? And that lefty types were yelling about how billionaire corps should compensate volunteer work because they clearly had money? Something starting from Reddit mods?

I don't know if you read it but I've never heard such a thing and i do read the lefty sites sometimes.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

iso1631 wrote: post #8
GenerWork wrote: post #3

Why won't Meta just stop showing Italian news now?

Why do they show Italian news before? Because it makes them money.

No, ads make them money. Users see the ads because they view their feeds.

It’s been proven in other markets that removing News from the feed doesn’t decrease engagement. Meta will continue to make money, and Italian news sites will see their traffic vanish.

Turns out they’re simply not valuable in the way they used to be, and country after country is learning this

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by lokar »

pjc50 wrote: post #16
bilekas wrote: post #5

It so nice to see megacorps not being allowed to whatever they like as in the US. The EU has regulations and standards. If you don't follow them you can't just try to sue the body. Just follow the rules like you're supposed to. It's quite simply really.

You certainly can sue: "The ruling comes after Meta sued Italy’s national telecommunications regulatory agency (AGCOM) in Italian court in 2023"; that's the normal process for disputing regulatory rulings. Doesn't mean you'll win though. I'm very much in two minds about this because "news" is not a morally neutral category in itself, such as with similar laws benefiting News Corp in Australia, but it's clear that Met…

But there is real, broad competition between news outlets.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by lokar »

werhf wrote: post #23
pjc50 wrote: post #16

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You certainly can sue: "The ruling comes after Meta sued Italy’s national telecommunications regulatory agency (AGCOM) in Italian court in 2023"; that's the normal process for disputing regulatory rulings. Doesn't mean you'll win though. I'm very much in two minds about this because "news" is not a morally neutral category in itself, such as with similar laws benefiting News Corp in Australia, but it's clear that Met…

I'm also not happy that news organizations get special exceptions. It is very easy to construct cynical motives: - Politicians need the news so journalists are protected. - If news organizations get paid, they have no incentive to be AI critical. The article says that "news are vital". So is open source, films, images, art, and the authors do not get paid by the thieves.

I view it as protecting a group of producers from a monopoly (or at least dominant) buyer.

Re: The European Union backs Italy's right to make Meta pay for news

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Post by nozzlegear »

close04 wrote: post #28
maxdo wrote: post #21

Good for these news corps , bad for consumers. Free News websites almost 100% consist of ads trash .

Isn’t Facebook just as full of ads that can’t even be blocked by uBO? When I log into the FB account I haven’t really been using in more than a decade, it’s 99% “sponsored” stuff, ads and reels. Really I could scroll through pages and pages of things I never chose to have in my feed before I see any post from a friend. At least on a news website I get to read just the news and can block the ads.

My Facebook feed is like 90% posts from local news and radio stations that I don't follow. I rarely see ads, just people posting ragebait comments under those local news articles.
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