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Sam Altman's Business Dealings Under GOP Scrutiny Ahead of OpenAI's IPO

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Re: Sam Altman's Business Dealings Under GOP Scrutiny Ahead of OpenAI's IPO

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Does anyone really believe this is more than performative? Increasingly the most likely outcome of such scrutiny is… nothing. He hasn’t stolen enough from the rich to earn any sort of punishment, and he’s not doing anything too different from the Congress critters that are “investigating” him.

When his company goes tits-up and connected investors lose billions, he'll suddenly face punishment.

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The thesis is as follows: OpenAI receives funds as a non-profit. Some of those funds are redirected to for profit ventures. Critically, the GM (Altman) of the nonprofit owns shares of the for-profit ventures, that OpenAI funds were redirected into. A regular company could and does invest in any company even when there's a conflict, as long as the conflict is disclosed and the Board votes in favor of it. There's no cr…

Even if the board votes in favor, wouldn't it be tax evasion to fund a for-profit corporation using a 503(c)(3) - which is tax deductible for donors?

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The thesis is as follows: OpenAI receives funds as a non-profit. Some of those funds are redirected to for profit ventures. Critically, the GM (Altman) of the nonprofit owns shares of the for-profit ventures, that OpenAI funds were redirected into. A regular company could and does invest in any company even when there's a conflict, as long as the conflict is disclosed and the Board votes in favor of it. There's no cr…

Doesn't Sam Altman famously not own OpenAI? His whole arrangement is so shady.

Is there a more benign explanation for these things? Altman is undeniably famously cagey and political but despite most of the tech and non-tech worlds at this point seeing him as some kind of con artist, I still kind of want to try to believe he's not.

No doubt some of OpenAI's founding principles like "stop + assist if a competitor gets to AGI first" are likely flying out the window, perhaps in part due to him and also as one might anticipate of initial lofty ideals and promises, but even with the recent New Yorker and other articles he seems like someone who maybe regularly placates people to avoid personal problems and lies to get out of trouble rather than a Machiavellian tech baron.

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So, the protection racket is not working? [1] Maybe some folks need to re-think whether this administration is worth "donating" to? [1]: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-exec-becomes-top-trump...

Blackmailers and protection rackets aren't known for being satisfied after a single payment, after they've established someone is willing to pay.

That is why public corruption is such as plague and one of the reasons the US dollar was seen as a safe store of value once.

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The thesis is as follows: OpenAI receives funds as a non-profit. Some of those funds are redirected to for profit ventures. Critically, the GM (Altman) of the nonprofit owns shares of the for-profit ventures, that OpenAI funds were redirected into. A regular company could and does invest in any company even when there's a conflict, as long as the conflict is disclosed and the Board votes in favor of it. There's no cr…

>The problem is introduced in Altman's case if (a) there was no disclosure (red flag)

The article says the investments were disclosed:

"OpenAI board chairman Bret Taylor defended Altman in a court hearing Monday, testifying that Altman had been “forthright” and “proactive and transparent” about his involvements in other companies. Altman recused himself from recent discussions about a deal between OpenAI and Helion as well, The Wall Street Journal reported."

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story is about congressmen and state attorneys calling for an SEC investigation, not the executive Which was motivated by a WSJ investigation into Sam’s personal dealings https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/chatgpt-openai-ipo-altman-029ae6...

and famously this executive doesn't over-reach to protect "its own"?

Your original comment implied that this is a signal that Sam’s influence over the admin hasn’t protected his interests, when that’s still to be seen. The protection racket could still very well benefit him if the SEC ends up taking the case and the admin then tries to interfere with SEC’s independence.

Re: Sam Altman's Business Dealings Under GOP Scrutiny Ahead of OpenAI's IPO

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look around at the country right now

Nothing to do with Altman v Musk. That would be an AI boom that would be going full steam ahead without either of them.

Almost no one in the country is feeling a boom. Everyone is feeling the consequences of their greed and recklessness.

Re: Sam Altman's Business Dealings Under GOP Scrutiny Ahead of OpenAI's IPO

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The thesis is as follows: OpenAI receives funds as a non-profit. Some of those funds are redirected to for profit ventures. Critically, the GM (Altman) of the nonprofit owns shares of the for-profit ventures, that OpenAI funds were redirected into. A regular company could and does invest in any company even when there's a conflict, as long as the conflict is disclosed and the Board votes in favor of it. There's no cr…

no, the thesis is: can the fascists control sam altman.

Re: Sam Altman's Business Dealings Under GOP Scrutiny Ahead of OpenAI's IPO

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> The moves follow an April article in The Wall Street Journal that detailed Altman’s efforts to have OpenAI back companies he personally invested in. Sounds a bit like Wework.

To be fair, a big part of being in Y Combinator itself is being "heavily encouraged" to use products from other Y Combinators. You just have to do it openly.
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