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Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

#31
The trick for me was to place a queen (most anywhere, but start with a corner it’s easier), then check and look for the spot with the most reds around it (eg 9, or 8, or 7), place the next queen there, repeat. Then place the bishop as needed.

The key was realizing the proximal spaces next to the placed queen are the most important to cover. Forget about trying to have a long reach, it comes naturally.

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #31

The trick for me was to place a queen (most anywhere, but start with a corner it’s easier), then check and look for the spot with the most reds around it (eg 9, or 8, or 7), place the next queen there, repeat. Then place the bishop as needed. The key was realizing the proximal spaces next to the placed queen are the most important to cover. Forget about trying to have a long reach, it comes naturally.

I was skeptical but, this not only worked the first time I tried it, this strategy has worked every time.

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #11
post #6

Wait, the instructions are a little ambiguous. I clicked "Solution" and it has the dark-squared bishop on a white square! XD Should maybe update the instructions to clarify that the dark-squared bishop is not constrained to dark squares.

that's exactly what happened to me. I ended up spending so much time thinking black bishop can only go to black squares. and agreed this is a bit ambiguous.

>thinking black bishop can only go to black squares. and agreed this is a bit ambiguous

sorry, "The task is to place four black queens and one black bishop on the chessboard" is not at all ambiguous.

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #5

> The task is to place four black queens and one black bishop on the chessboard so that there is no square not under their attack. In other words, after arranging the five black pieces, it must be impossible to place the white king anywhere without it being in checkmate. That last word should be "check". not "checkmate". A king next to an unprotected queen will be in check but not checkmate as it can capture the quee…

That assumes you can place the king on the board and move immediately. I think the puzzle assumes you can’t do that; that placing your king on the board is your move, thus ending your turn.

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #33
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's exactly what happened to me. I ended up spending so much time thinking black bishop can only go to black squares. and agreed this is a bit ambiguous.

> thinking black bishop can only go to black squares. and agreed this is a bit ambiguous sorry, "The task is to place four black queens and one black bishop on the chessboard" is not at all ambiguous.

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Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #34
post #5

> The task is to place four black queens and one black bishop on the chessboard so that there is no square not under their attack. In other words, after arranging the five black pieces, it must be impossible to place the white king anywhere without it being in checkmate. That last word should be "check". not "checkmate". A king next to an unprotected queen will be in check but not checkmate as it can capture the quee…

That assumes you can place the king on the board and move immediately. I think the puzzle assumes you can’t do that; that placing your king on the board is your move, thus ending your turn.

The wording is very unambiguous, it means something very specific in chess. In every legal chess position either White is checkmated or Black is checkmated or (by far the most common except in film and TV!) neither side is checkmated. So the wording is crystal clear, you should be able to freely place the White king on any of the unoccupied 59 squares and the position will be one of those in which White is checkmated.

A real shame, this totally ruined the puzzle for me as it seemed so unlikely that all five Black pieces would be mutually protected. I should have forced myself to ignore the faulty clause and try to solve without it. The bad clause is also completely unnecessary - one of those cases where deleting text (or code!) is an improvement with no downside!

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

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post #31

The trick for me was to place a queen (most anywhere, but start with a corner it’s easier), then check and look for the spot with the most reds around it (eg 9, or 8, or 7), place the next queen there, repeat. Then place the bishop as needed. The key was realizing the proximal spaces next to the placed queen are the most important to cover. Forget about trying to have a long reach, it comes naturally.

Wow!! That was awesome, great explanation too!

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

#38
I've been playing a lot of Go lately and it's lowkey ruined chess for me. I ended up uninstalling Lichess because I simple don't use it anymore. Nothing against chess, just my personal taste.

My friend code on BadukPop is EGVNY if anyone wants to play together!

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

#39
post #34
post #5

> The task is to place four black queens and one black bishop on the chessboard so that there is no square not under their attack. In other words, after arranging the five black pieces, it must be impossible to place the white king anywhere without it being in checkmate. That last word should be "check". not "checkmate". A king next to an unprotected queen will be in check but not checkmate as it can capture the quee…

That assumes you can place the king on the board and move immediately. I think the puzzle assumes you can’t do that; that placing your king on the board is your move, thus ending your turn.

There's no legal way to reach a chess position where a king is in check or checkmate and it's not the king's turn to move.

Re: Chess puzzle I found in my dad's old book

#40
post #19

I solved it with this, a pleasingly symmetric solution. I was surprised that a solution exists with all the queens in a row. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . B . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . . . .

I started with 4 queens placed symmetrically on c7,g6,f2,b3, which covers everything except corners. Then I shifted all of them diagonally, i.e. to d6,h5,g1,c2. And it turns out, then only a8 and b7 are not covered, which can be easily solved by placing bishop anywhere at diagonal, e.g. h1.
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