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A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by autoexec »

Animats wrote: post #6

Participants were 529 (289 men, 234 women, and 6 identified as other) undergraduate business students with a mean age of 18.14 years (SD = 1.19, range 16 to 37). Sigh. A sample of convenience. Psychology remains the study of undergraduates. If they wanted real answers, they'd go to bike events.

Self-reported data via an internet survey. Garbage science means garbage data. I wouldn't put any faith in these results. You can't swing a dead cat in a room full of business students without hitting a bunch of sadistic psychopaths anyway.

Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by autoexec »

altairprime wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #6

Participants were 529 (289 men, 234 women, and 6 identified as other) undergraduate business students with a mean age of 18.14 years (SD = 1.19, range 16 to 37). Sigh. A sample of convenience. Psychology remains the study of undergraduates. If they wanted real answers, they'd go to bike events.

I’ve noticed in my own car’s forums that over about ten years, most of the loud-seekers moved on to other cars while the remainder of us have much more diversity of gender and ‘loudness’ interests. Our sample size of self-nominated participants is also a couple thousand, not at all restricted to undergrads, and anecdotally parallels the study: those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority te…

> those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority tend to treat prosocial-community responses with disregard, hostility, or mockery.

Is the loudness then just a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world or does it provide the loudness seeker with something besides the joy of knowing that they're pissing off everyone within earshot? If they were the last living person on Earth would they still go to the trouble to modify their vehicle for loudness?

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Post by m463 »

autoexec wrote: post #12
altairprime wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve noticed in my own car’s forums that over about ten years, most of the loud-seekers moved on to other cars while the remainder of us have much more diversity of gender and ‘loudness’ interests. Our sample size of self-nominated participants is also a couple thousand, not at all restricted to undergrads, and anecdotally parallels the study: those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority te…

> those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority tend to treat prosocial-community responses with disregard, hostility, or mockery. Is the loudness then just a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world or does it provide the loudness seeker with something besides the joy of knowing that they're pissing off everyone within earshot? If they were the last living person on Earth would they still go…

I wonder too. Maybe it could be plumage to seek attention, maybe asserting "superiority", maybe dominating. security/insecurity?

I do know sometimes when someone pulls up nearby with loud music coming out of their rolled-down windows... I wonder what putting on loud disney princess music would do?

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Post by DonHopkins »

Sadistic psychopathic MAGA assholes love rolling coal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

>Some incidents have led to injuries. In 2021, six bicyclists training for a road race were run over by a 16-year-old who was rolling coal along Business U.S. Highway 290 in Waller County, Texas, outside Houston, when he attempted to drive ahead of the group to engulf them in the exhaust. Two of the cyclists were injured severely enough to require medical evacuation by helicopter. The motorist was not charged at the time of the collision; local cyclists' groups were outraged. [13] He was later charged with six felony counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. [14]

[13] A teenager allegedly hit 6 bicyclists with his truck, sending 3 to the hospital. A biker says the driver was harassing them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/30/texas-teen-...

[14] Waller DA files 6 felonies for 'rolling coal' crash that injured 6 cyclists https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/transpor...

MAGA supporter who coal rolled (black truck smoke) onto protesters outs himself (Parker, Co)

https://www.reddit.com/r/parkerco/comments/1qbdx8a/maga_supp...

Coal rolled at the 'No Kings' protest

https://thewesternnews.com/news/2025/jun/17/coal-rolled-at-t...

The Cruel Practice of Rolling Coal

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-red-light-distri...

Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by simulator5g »

autoexec wrote: post #12
altairprime wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve noticed in my own car’s forums that over about ten years, most of the loud-seekers moved on to other cars while the remainder of us have much more diversity of gender and ‘loudness’ interests. Our sample size of self-nominated participants is also a couple thousand, not at all restricted to undergrads, and anecdotally parallels the study: those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority te…

> those who seek loudness uniformly present as men, and in large majority tend to treat prosocial-community responses with disregard, hostility, or mockery. Is the loudness then just a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world or does it provide the loudness seeker with something besides the joy of knowing that they're pissing off everyone within earshot? If they were the last living person on Earth would they still go…

It's a pretty basic dopamine response, do something, hear something big happen, feel good. Real basic and, fairly universal. You may prefer a quieter car, but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. Your preference just happens to be different. You may prefer some other form of this concept. Maybe you like loud music. Maybe you like loud colors. Loud flavors. Maybe all of the above. That's fine, that's called a preference.

The hostility comes from the perception that someone wants to take away your toy. Again, it's very very basic, the same thing you see if you try to take away an item from an animal that is engaged in a dopamine response with that item. Like a dog eating something. They will bite you or at least growl if you take it away.

Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

Animats wrote: post #6

Participants were 529 (289 men, 234 women, and 6 identified as other) undergraduate business students with a mean age of 18.14 years (SD = 1.19, range 16 to 37). Sigh. A sample of convenience. Psychology remains the study of undergraduates. If they wanted real answers, they'd go to bike events.

> If they wanted real answers, they'd go to bike events.

They‘d meet a bunch of 1) people actively being assholes and/or 2) people with a lack of basic empathy.

Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by simulator5g »

m463 wrote: post #7

fascinating: Crafty – Machiavellianism Special – narcissism Wild – psychopathy Mean – sadism

I don't like the association of the word crafty with Machiavelli. "Crafty" is basically synonymous with hacker. You can be crafty without being a dick.

Re: A desire for a loud car correlates with higher scores on psychopathy and sadism

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Post by mianos »

Animats wrote: post #6

Participants were 529 (289 men, 234 women, and 6 identified as other) undergraduate business students with a mean age of 18.14 years (SD = 1.19, range 16 to 37). Sigh. A sample of convenience. Psychology remains the study of undergraduates. If they wanted real answers, they'd go to bike events.

As a biker, there is sure a lot of peer pressure to have a louder bike. My s1k has the factory msport straight through akro muffler and a valve system that opens the larger exit, also bypassing the baffles in the 'lunchbox' underneath, at 7k. Meaning it's very quiet until it's being asked to go very fast.

Replacing the cats and lunchbox with headers gives under 1hp on a 220hp bike.

But, every meetup, multiple people are asking "when are you getting a proper exhaust system". Which is basically louder for no other reason but being loud.

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