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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by FpUser »

wolvoleo wrote: post #550
FpUser wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from Canada and when renting from Hetzner was never asked about personal ID. Maybe because I started few years ago. Never knew about Scaleway. Looked at their website - prices for bare metal seem to be higher than in Hetzner

Yes but hetzner sell a lot of older hardware for bargain basement prices. It's their thing. They're more of a traditional hoster. Scaleway's compute is more like Amazon EC2.

>"Scaleway's compute is more like Amazon EC2" - meaning they give less and charge more. Thanks but I'll pass.

Hardware I rend from Hetzner is usually 16 core AMD with 128GB RAM and couple of nvme's. Never had single failure. Of course I periodically buy new server, do deploy. Old one becomes standby and standby of the old gets cancelled.

Scaleway's offer of the same computing power is highly unattractive comparatively.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

xienze wrote: post #220
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

> While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. It makes a lot more sense if you realize pretty much the sole motivation behind all this digital virtue signaling is "put my data somewhere Trump isn't." Notice how no one really lists contingencies for "what if the EU goes off the ra…

> Notice how no one really lists contingencies for "what if the EU goes off the rails"? There's always an implicit assumption that EU politics will always be "sane" (read: "aligned with my personal politics").

I think it's much less an expectation of sanity and more that the EU doesn't really host or do much of anything actually "important". The USA quite literally runs half the world so people are rightfully worried about it going "rogue".

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

guilhermesfc wrote: post #113
data-ottawa wrote: post #53

Just a nitpick: 1Password is Canadian (still not European, but not us based, if that’s the issue). I do understand the choice to move all into proton though. Off topic: that’s a beautiful website

Canadian counts as reliable for me ;)

Canadian is basically the worst option possible they bend over backward to the USA and you don't even get the USA own internal protection. All the downsides of hosting in the USA without any benefits.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by tjek »

guilhermesfc wrote: post #113
data-ottawa wrote: post #53

Just a nitpick: 1Password is Canadian (still not European, but not us based, if that’s the issue). I do understand the choice to move all into proton though. Off topic: that’s a beautiful website

Canadian counts as reliable for me ;)

Canada's Bill C-22 (the Lawful Access Act) would, if passed, allow the government to secretly order 1Password to build access capabilities for authorities and bar them from disclosing it.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by aaron695 »

alibarber wrote: post #239
TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

> (albeit over Teams) Would be great if this irony was taken note of at this level.

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by antonvs »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #540
TheCapn wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt. For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go ba…

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> worry that that foreigners attempting to immigrate here for the long-term have a plan involving exercising influence on US politics from their position inside the country, in order to punish existing US citizens.

This is indeed a valid concern for immigrants like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Rupert Murdoch. They’ve all had a significant deleterious effect on the US.

For the average immigrant just trying to live their life, it’sa much less valid concern. You could equally point the finger at the millions of natural-born US citizens who believe that the US is a “Christian nation”, who are well organized, and are trying to change the laws in that direction.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by antonvs »

eCa wrote: post #517
dsl wrote: post #396

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Which is just wildly backwards. It is the same mindset of the cyberpunk "privacy advocates" of the early 2000s, move your stuff to Sealand or Switzerland. The fundamental flaw with this plan is if your fear is genuinely of the United States, your data is far more protected inside the US. The intelligence community has no restrictions operating on foreign networks and servers. Rather than go to a FISA court for approv…

> Rather than go to a FISA court for approval, we just hack your box and take your data. You are equating illegal behavior with legal behavior. We do what we can to avoid the legal ways the US government can access our data.

I think their point is that that behaviour is legal from a US perspective, when the target of a US government investigation is outside the US.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by 1123581321 »

TheCapn wrote: post #531
Unfunkyufo wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an advocate (and practitioner) of European digital sovereignty, let me tell you, at least from my perspective, it has absolutely nothing to do with fear of US intelligence agencies spying on us, and everything to do with the catastrophic consequences of an unreliable and unstable American government pulling the plug on our vital infrastructure, or at least the very least weaponizing our dependency on American comp…

As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt. For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go ba…

The parent to their post was saying your risk assessment of which country should host is incorrect, given who you believe to be your biggest threat, i.e. your preferences are not aligned with reducing your risk.
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