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Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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For specifically sexually explicit stuff, it's because chargebacks are __significantly__ higher for these types of purchases. High enough that it messes with the credit and counterparty risk modeling that processors use. You can use your imagination to come up with many reasons these result in more chargebacks than normal purchases. Theoretically, they could just split out "explicit" vs "normal" risk categories, but…

Then why there are chargebacks in the first place? Allow merchants to have no chargeback policy.

What merchant wants to have chargebacks? They exist for consumer protection not for the seller's benefit.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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The left-right coalition against porn makes relief for Kickstarter or Stripe unlikely. FOSTA-SESTA, the law that increased liability for platforms facilitating porn, passed 388-25 in the House and 97-2 in the Senate back in 2018. Every senate Progressive except one voted yes, including Sanders, Warren, Kamala Harris (AG against Backpage), Booker, etc. Anti-trafficking feminist groups like NOW backed that legislation,…

Thanks for this comment. This is a bipartisan movement

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Good. The less smut on the internet, the better. It’s a net negative to society.

Simple idea for a simple mind: quit going to porn sites.

See how that works? If you dont like a behavior, dont do the behavior.

Dont you tell US what you want us to do.

This is called freedom.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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> This is not free speech. Adult content is not a protected class. Why does adult content not count as speech?

US civics 101. The first amendment mostly restricts government action. This is not a free speech issue unless you want to legislate that adult content is a protected class or want to make a special clause for payment processing. This is a perfect use case for crypto imo. If you are making an argument that new legislation needs to made, great but unfortunately people jump to the idea that this is immediately a free sp…

Could a case be made not from a free speech POV but from a antitrust one?

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Why does this not apply to payment methods like Zelle?

Zelle is (in effect) a wire transfer - there is no "credit" (meaning "borrow now, pay later") for that law to apply.

In the US can you use stripe with only online bank transfers just like in the EU?

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this not apply to payment methods like Zelle?

Zelle is (in effect) a wire transfer - there is no "credit" (meaning "borrow now, pay later") for that law to apply.

To expand a little on this, Zelle and debit card transactions are covered under Regulation E: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/rules-policy/regulations/100... . So there’s a codified procedure for disputes, it’s just a little less consumer friendly.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Why payment processors do it? Why people in America do not want to earn more money from commissions? Strong church lobby? Legal risks? I think its mostly religious groups who who are against adult content and sex, or there are other groups? Also this is why we should work to increase circulation of cryptocurrency. No stupid religious restrictions and stupid political sanctions. Also why PornHub and OnlyFans are immun…

For specifically sexually explicit stuff, it's because chargebacks are __significantly__ higher for these types of purchases. High enough that it messes with the credit and counterparty risk modeling that processors use. You can use your imagination to come up with many reasons these result in more chargebacks than normal purchases. Theoretically, they could just split out "explicit" vs "normal" risk categories, but…

>For specifically sexually explicit stuff, it's because chargebacks are __significantly__ higher for these types of purchases.

This has always been a lie. I work preventing stolen credit cards from being used to buy gift cards.

Payment networks do not at all care about cutting you off for having chargeback heavy flow. They demonstrate their value to customers by supporting those chargebacks, they make $20 for every single one. If you have a large fraction of your payments causing chargebacks, they just charge you more money for the privilege. They won't cut you off unless you are obviously not doing anything to prevent credit card fraud or are party to the actual fraud itself. Payment networks don't even do that much to prevent fraud, because it doesn't hurt their business at all. Everyone knows you are protected when you use a credit card, and frequent demonstrations help that.

This has always come down to some fundamentalist "Christian" groups who keep spending big bucks suing anyone they can find who sells anything adult, and suing Visa and Mastercard as accessories. They are trying to ban porn, toys, adult content in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_on_Sexual_Expl...

This is the group that drove Pornhub to delete 9/10ths of their library.

Compare their efforts to the australian group who got so much flak for demanding steam remove violently rapey games and yet are fine with steam still being full of sexually explicit games that aren't about simulating abuse.

I can't understand why people believe this lie. If it were true, you would not be able to buy a gift card over the internet at all.

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