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Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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So who is pressuring the processors?

I’ve heard this is apparently less about morality and more about payments getting contested by men getting caught by their spouses

It’s not even that complex.

The chargeback rates might just be higher than the payment processors feel like dealing with.

I’m more than fine with more transactions leaving the traditional credit card system.

Giving Visa a 3% surcharge on the entire economy never felt right

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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So who is pressuring the processors?

If you dig, this issue has been brewing for quite some time. Long story short, its the hard-right conservatives and/or Christians who demand everybody *else* follow their recidivist ethics.

Exodus Cry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry explicit christian thinktank

Collective Shout - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Shout not explicitly christian, but mirrors Exodus Cry almost verbatim

Going down the rabbit hole of Financial Censorship also shows a few other bad actor sin this space. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_censorship

FiLiA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiLiA hard conservative feminist group, hates transgender

Morality in Media (renamed to "National Center on Sexual Exploitation" to deceive as federal org) - Intersection of Conservatives and Christians, wanting to ban anything their bronze age beliefs indicate are bad.

CATiW - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Against_Trafficking_... , another far-conservative anti-trans hate group.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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VISA is the government

actually if they were it would be easier to argue it's a violation of free speech, but since they're not they can censor with much less restriction tbh there's a case to be made that the government should run a payment processor as critical infrastructure

The way governments these days use corporations and NGOs to work around constitutional restrictions, I'm sure they're pretty happy leaving the payment processors as-is.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Question: what prevents an organisation like Kickstarter from using more than one payment processor, including the ones used by actual porn companies?

Nothing prevents them, and some companies that want to support both adult and non-adult content do. But it's also reasonable for Kickstarter to decide that adult content is not so important to them that they want to jump through hoops to dodge Stripe's rules.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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So who is pressuring the processors?

I’ve heard this is apparently less about morality and more about payments getting contested by men getting caught by their spouses

> I’ve heard this is apparently less about morality and more about payments getting contested by men getting caught by their spouses

This is a common myth. The concerted effort that we've seen over the last 5-10 years in particular is the direct consequence of intense lobbying from a handful of groups that are openly backed by or aligned with right-wing religious groups, especially (but not exclusively) evangelicals.

In case you have any doubts about whether "morality" is their motivation, one of the groups was literally called "Morality in Media", before renaming to the more official-sounding National Center on Sexual Exploitation. Despite the new name, they actually don't care very much about "sexual exploitation" as most reasonable people would define the term (such as child abuse) but instead consider all sex work to be "exploitation" and aim to ban legal sex work.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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post #25

There should be a national payment processing operator as an alternative to VISA/MC. Just like they do it in many other countries.

Then government leaders would be less able to circumvent civil rights and transparency measures (where those exist). That is why the government farms out infrastructure to non government entities.

This way, there is always a threat of businesses deciding not to do business with you by unaccountable forces.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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Question: what prevents an organisation like Kickstarter from using more than one payment processor, including the ones used by actual porn companies?

The fact that if they don't ban it, Visa and Mastercard will blacklist them and they have 99% of the market share.

Re: Kickstarter is forced to ban adult content by payment processors

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I feel like if you’re going to write an article like this, you should at least engage with why it’s happening. Maybe deep down for some of the participants it’s a kind of moral thing, but mostly this is because payments for NSFW/porn stuff are dramatically more expensive. All of the “stuff” payment processors are doing is harder for NSFW/porn content, so that’s the main reason the processors want these companies to s…

If it was more expensive to process, why wouldn't they pass those costs on?
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