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Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by mghackerlady »

echelon wrote: post #46
sc68cal wrote: post #34

I have also moved my git repositories to a self-hosted NUC. I have not yet bothered with a HTTP frontend to share it with the world, mostly because I don't want to provide AI scrapers with content and don't want to put the work in to block them. It's a shame that all these companies that benefited from open source have poisoned the industry like this

> It's a shame that all these companies that benefited from open source have poisoned the industry like this Open Source and the OSI are an industry plant. Look at who sponsors it. The monopoly hyperscaler conglomerates get free labor and use it to build the world we despise: tracking panopticons, phones we can't install things on, device attestation, browser monoculture with no adblock, etc. etc. Google made people…

I find non-commercial licenses too extreme. People selling your free software or using it in a commercial way so long as they respect the license is a good thing

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by _flux »

shimman wrote: post #25
_flux wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're forgetting issue tracking and CI.

Forgejo has both these things, I'd even argue Forgejo has a better runner than GitHub actions as it's less resource heavy and easier to debug when issues arise (only ran into one, and it was self inflicted).

I have no trouble believing it is better :), but it is not as easy to mirror a Github issues, or CI configuration, to Forgejo or back as it is to handle the git side.

I think Radicle is interesting. It doesn't solve the CI bit, at least not yet, but I suppose it's possible to hook up some local runner for it.

There's also a bug tracker which I believe was called bug, but I can't find it ;), that tries to bridge different issue trackers and providing offline mode for working with them.

People of course also love free CI capacity where they can run even untrusted code, so in that sense Microsoft resources might be difficult to compete against.

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

#103

Post by _heimdall »

chknkachunga wrote: post #98

I wish Microsoft would treat GitHub a little differently. Leave it alone and let it be it's own thing. Maybe if enough customers leave they will backtrack. As a long term GitHub customer, I see many practical and personal reasons to move away from the platform. I've seen a handful of similar posts lately. A few years ago this would have felt totally fringe, but now all of a sudden it really doesn't. For now, for me a…

Microsoft did that for a lot longer than I expected honestly. Historically they would take a year or so before giving up on the "you're an independent company" bit and merge the team into MS orgs.

GitHub pulled it off for 5ish years before that began to change, and it was only last year when they stopped having their own "CEO".

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

#104

Post by jimmaswell »

sc68cal wrote: post #34

I have also moved my git repositories to a self-hosted NUC. I have not yet bothered with a HTTP frontend to share it with the world, mostly because I don't want to provide AI scrapers with content and don't want to put the work in to block them. It's a shame that all these companies that benefited from open source have poisoned the industry like this

Why would someone gladly provide their work as open source but draw the line at AI reading it and using that knowledge to help more programmers later? It makes no sense to me. I actively want all of my code to be read by AI.

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

#105

Post by ndriscoll »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #76
pixlmint wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub centralizes 2 things: Authentication, as well as Repository Hosting. Does the code really need to be hosted in a central location like this? (Clearly not, which is why people are leaving GitHub in the first place) But the one part GitHub provides that's genuinely valuable is the social aspect, and when you get a PR from a user named torvalds you can trust that this is in fact Linus. This isn't the case with mo…

> That's why I'd really like to see some entity handle just the auth/identity providing. Forgejo/ Gitea/ Gitlab instances can then choose to use that. Then, for example if you want to take on another contributor and they have their own forgejo instances, you can invite them through this provider, when they fork your repo it ends up in their own forgejo, and they can easily create PR's into your repo. Agree, I feel li…

The "missing" piece is just everyone implementing OAuth Dynamic Client Registration. Then kernel.org could be its own OAuth provider, and Linus could log into someone's Forgejo with his kernel.org login.

Just like "log in with Google", you should be able to do "log in with OAuth", you type your email or domain (or your browser fills it), and it triggers a redirect flow for login. Then people can use GitHub or Google or Apple or their own provider, just like email. Every email provider could also be an OAuth provider.

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by mghackerlady »

nottorp wrote: post #62

What if you don't want to self host? Who offers low feature git hosting for a small price? Something like the old $7 account before github was bought by MS? All I want is hosting and a read only web interface, plus access control in case I have collaborators. All the offerings are enterprise priced because they offer "minutes of CI", "AI assistants" and other icing on the cake.

SourceHut is good, and despite you not wanting to self host, self hosting a git repo is one of the easiest things to self host

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by Ritewut »

hperrin wrote: post #52
limagnolia wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgejo is doing a lot of work to make the tooling decentralized, too. They are using open protocols and standards to link self hosted forges together.

I can’t wait for federation in Forgejo. With that, there’s honestly no reason not to host your own forge.

The reason will be that not everyone wants to deal wit maintaining a self-hosted box.

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

#108

Post by zesterer »

nathanielks wrote: post #75
echelon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a shame that all these companies that benefited from open source have poisoned the industry like this Open Source and the OSI are an industry plant. Look at who sponsors it. The monopoly hyperscaler conglomerates get free labor and use it to build the world we despise: tracking panopticons, phones we can't install things on, device attestation, browser monoculture with no adblock, etc. etc. Google made people…

> Open Source and the OSI are an industry plant. Look at who sponsors it. This is ignorant to the history of Open Source software. Software has been open long before it was subsidized by large corporations. "Computer software was created in the early half of the 20th century.[2][3][4] In the 1950s and into the 1960s, almost all softwares were produced by academics and corporate researchers working in collaboration,[5…

You're talking about a different thing to OP. OP is talking about the OSI and the specific incarnation of 'open-source' that came with it, you are talking about the more general social pattern of open collaboration.

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by master-lincoln »

echelon wrote: post #81
wutwutwat wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you come into a convo saying even Stallman isn't extreme enough, it's probably a good time to take a step back and evaluate your life.

I'm actually a capitalist. But our 25 year lax regulatory environment has created a world where the largest players abuse consumers and the competitive ecosystem. Open source is one of the many strategies these companies have abused to create grave harm to our society. It's let them get further with our support and with less expenditure. It's given them an ethical smoke screen. - Social media algorithms are the tobac…

This is all expected in capitalism as these are mechanisms to extract more profit.

We need more socialists in power...

Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo

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Post by Ritewut »

pixlmint wrote: post #70
giancarlostoro wrote: post #2

Everyone seems to be leaving GitHub, and forgetting the entire spirit of what git is in my eyes. Git was always meant to be decentralized, the problem here is that all the tooling around git was centralized to GitHub because it was a cleaner experience, they scaled nicely, and were properly maintained. I would prefer to still see mirrors on GitHub that are auto-synched because I've seen projects for years either self…

GitHub centralizes 2 things: Authentication, as well as Repository Hosting. Does the code really need to be hosted in a central location like this? (Clearly not, which is why people are leaving GitHub in the first place) But the one part GitHub provides that's genuinely valuable is the social aspect, and when you get a PR from a user named torvalds you can trust that this is in fact Linus. This isn't the case with mo…

Tangled is working on something like that. I believe they are federating on the @protocol.

https://tangled.org/

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