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Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by dzhiurgis »

deepsun wrote: post #387
dzhiurgis wrote: post #352

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I have DJI drone, broke prop maybe once, replaced in few minutes. Prop guards work as intended. I did once got it into iron sand which seized the motors. Luckily their insurance covered full replacement. There are much worse things about them like subpar performance or shitty way to access the card slot in Avata, but otherwise they solid.

I mean prop guards -- what do you do when a prop guard breaks?

IDK what sort of guards you speak off but I don’t think it’s possible to do so on my avata. I did smash it pretty hard few times.

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Post by driverdan »

bityard wrote: post #163

I'm an open-source advocate (some would say zealot?) but I ended up buying a Bambu P1S a few months back because my research indicated that there were ways use it normally without creating a Bambu account, or using their slicer, or having to send all of your prints through their servers. I don't have my notes in front of me, but I managed to do all of that with hardly any trouble at all. IIRC, you only had to change…

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Post by SchemaLoad »

kiba wrote: post #376
supern0va wrote: post #373

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Josef clearly cares about being as open as possible, but has bumped up against the fact that companies like Bambu can just take their designs and extend them with things they don't share, and sell a product with more features and a lower price. Unfortunately, it seems like the fully open source business model doesn't work well when you can be undercut by extremely cheap labor from another country and a company that d…

Share what? Nothing what Bambu is doing is remotely secret. There are no mystery sauce to figure out. Prusa genuinely got outflanked by Bambu when it comes to designing a printer. But yes, fuck bambu.

They forked the slicer, and then put the networking part in a plugin that gets downloaded after you open it purely so they don't have to share the source for it as the rest of the slicer is GPL.

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Post by socalgal2 »

Wow, I'm surprised how much I disgree with the HN consensus here. This feels to me, (almost) entirely in Bambu's side here. I'd say their security sucks and they should have implemented some kind of secure accounts so random person without account can't interact with their service like 1000s of other services. But, otherwise, they're right that you don't have a license to their service, only to the AGPLed software.

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Post by cyberrock »

Arch-TK wrote: post #326
wolvoleo wrote: post #252

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I don't think Prusa and Bambu compare well. Prusa printers aren't as cleanly designed as Bambu and they are more than twice the price. I consider them really poor value for money. And Bambu printers aren't clones. The AMS is something they came up with. Also, Prusa copy from Bambu too. Like their own material switcher (much less sophisticated than the AMS) and the new Core printer is really more a Bambu copy than the…

No idea about the filament swirchers, but calling core XY designs bambu clones is really funny. The core XY design that all manufacturers are now centering around has been around long before Bambu existed as a company.

Core XY didn't exist in consumer printers outside of Vorons that took hours to build. If all a new company did was take an obvious concept and make it accessible, then that just reflects poorly on the previous market leaders.

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Post by 8note »

kn100 wrote: post #30

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

what can bamboo actually do to lock this down?

are they making their own actuators that communicate with some encryption?

if i buy a bamboo and i dont like it, can i not just cut out all the electroincs and put whatever the new dev board of the day is and flash standard 3d printing firmware on it and send it through a calibration run?

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Post by 8note »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #287
alnwlsn wrote: post #214

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If you decide to get a Bambu anyway, let me heartily recommend against an H2D. It did "just work" for a while, but then the print cooling fan went bad. On my home Voron, this would be a 5 minute fix. On the H2D, it is this [0]. You basically have to take the entire toolhead apart, removing the mainboard inside it with no less than 11 very tiny and fragile custom ribbon cables that connect to it, plus 5 more connectio…

> On my home Voron, You're not the target market for Bambu customers. This is like complaining that on your dirt track racer it's a trivial process to swap the rear end spur and change final drive ratios. Someone who has their dealership do the oil changes on their leased BMW does not care. Maybe they should care a little, because the long-term repairability of their BMW or Bambu is going to put a real dent in their…

who actually is the target market though?

im not using a melted bead printer if care in any way about the quality of the result. resin printers are readily availble

the bmw owner is buying a better machine, or just paying somebody to do the printing for them

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Post by mbgerring »

kn100 wrote: post #30

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

Last time I checked you don’t have to pay that much more for a Prusa than a similar spec Bambu printer.

And in any case, Bambu’s well-publicized abuse of open source has driven me off of ever using their printers. I know that only nerds care about this, so I hope Prusa keeps pushing to build a straightforwardly better product.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

ge96 wrote: post #199
kn100 wrote: post #30

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

I'm still rocking my Ender 3 Pro, I printed a part 13 hrs straight and it came out fine not saying it can't be better eg. faster, multi-color/material but yeah works for me right now with Cura

I upgraded from the 3 to the 5, and had some great experiences with it. My Ender 3 was such a Printer of Theseus; I think I'd replaced everything except the extruded aluminium frame by the time I upgraded.

But that's part of the hobby, surely? Like, just having a printer and having it print things first time, and never taking it apart or replacing chunks of it to see if that would work better, seems kinda dull to me ;)

Oh, and fuck Bambu. Never touching their shit.

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Post by TekMol »

CarVac wrote: post #301
TekMol wrote: post #230

Here is my perspective as someone who has not started 3d-printing yet, but is interested to give it a try: I'm a confused about the whole "3D printer sends prints to its manufacturer's server" issue. Because I wouldn't want to connect hardware device like a 3D-printer to a network in the first place. Can I buy a Bambu Lab printer and just never hook it up to any network? Will I be able to print from sd-card just fine…

You hook it up to the network to use monitoring features like a remote camera view to make sure your print is going smoothly. SD cards work but it's extremely less convenient than just printing straight from the slicer. You can use any slicer you want but Bambu wants only their slicer to directly connect. CLI slicing is not something you want in general. Visual confirmation of the toolpaths is very important to makin…

> You can use any slicer you want but Bambu > wants only their slicer to directly connect.

Here it looks like you can connect Orca?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMtkIGf8xOs&t=240s

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