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Re: Starship V3

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So it'll be more like Hertzner[1] in space. Each node just doing its own thing.

Not sure about the cost perspective but, at least that makes more sense than a giant brick floating around.

[1]: https://lafibre.info/hetzner/over-200-000-servers-in-one-pla...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_stations_in_Antarctic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanza_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Las_Estrellas

Permanent means self sustaining. I.e biodome completely isolated from outside with its own atmosphere. None of those are self sustaining.

> Permanent means self sustaining.

No it doesn't. "Permanent settlement" just means it's not temporary, only intended for a short-term mission.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_stations_in_Antarctic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanza_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Las_Estrellas

Permanent means self sustaining. I.e biodome completely isolated from outside with its own atmosphere. None of those are self sustaining.

Why on earth (pun intended), would you want that?

You don't want to be there? Almost every other place on earth is better. So you send a skeleton crew along with what they need.

If it is to test an actual community living isolated, sure. But I think it'll always be different because you know that help is at most a few months away and probably a lot less. I don't think you can fake that, unless you're never told you're not alone

Re: Starship V3

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> It's putting AI processing out of the reach of hostile local, state, and international governments It isn't... the hostile local government can seize the ssh keys you use to control it and take it over just fine. The hostile international non-local super power just gained a new ability to jam communications or destroy it with a bit of deniability too.

So, that's generally not something local governments do in the US. They do things like increasing taxes on data centers, denying water rights, electric interconnection rights, etc. (At least, all of this has been threatened against data centers.)

PRISM[1] has been publicly-documented for over a decade. China, Iran, Russia, among others obviously also intervene in electronic communications at a low level.

I'm not caught up entirely, but I would imagine that NSA's capabilities have advanced beyond what has been published from slides created nearly 20 years ago.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

Re: Starship V3

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Saw some photo's and the first thing that stands out: the American flag. What's up with that? If you see a product launch in Europe there will be no flag in the photo's (non that I ever saw).

Almost any average factory floor in the U.S. has an American flag hanging somewhere. Sorry Europe doesn't have any pride in itself!

I don't think showing a flag is a sign of pride, and as I watch the news it is currently a very misplaced pride in America.

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The physics degree is a deception and perhaps fabricated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35594076 (and it was a BA not BSc though that matters less) And the Stanford admittance was for materials science, not physics as he lies about

> and it was a BA not BSc though that matters less I've got no opinion on the existence and legitimacy of any degrees Musk may or may not have, but whichever he does have you really can't infer much at all from whether a STEM degree in the US is a BA or a BS without looking at the specific requirements for the degrees at the particular school. Some schools might give a BA for a program and other schools might give a…

Yes that's why I said it matters less. Musk represents it as a BSc because it sounds more impressive even if it doesn't matter in his case which one it is. It's still something he misrepresents for clout though.

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It really depends on scale. There will be enough terrestrial vetoes that if what we build is 10-1000x what people are already halting through legal challenges …

I doubt it. Like, I hate to have to be the bearer of bad news, and maybe it’s my weird arctic anarchist soul, but, the old world order, the need for these companies to follow rules at least in spirit? That’s dead now. There are no laws but the laws of physics and the the laws others force your organization to follow. I recognize that that is distressing to people, hell, it’s been obvious to me since I was at OWS in m…

> the old world order, the need for these companies to follow rules at least in spirit? That’s dead now

Pendulums swing. Anyone advocating for the development of more advanced technologies should be in favor of a system of fair laws enforced robustly. One need only look to countries that lack this foundation to understand why.

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I was initially very skeptical about the viability of space-based data centers but after a couple hours reading papers, studies and summary technical assessments I realized there are a range of credible expert viewpoints from, "pretty unlikely" to "it could actually work". There at least appear to be plausible, though unproven, solutions to the most obvious drive-by objections I had off the top of my non-expert head.…

Did you find a credible solution for heat dissipation in the papers you read? I fear the laws of thermodynamics will kill this project.

https://youtu.be/FlQYU3m1e80

Is a good start

Re: Starship V3

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Before LEO internet constellations, even the leading nations had just ~20-25 launches per year each, and a good chunk of those were for ISS services. Other than the occasional GNSS, weather, scientific, broadcast and surveillance satellite, there's not all that much worth sending into space.

I, and I'm not alone, would pay a giant pile of money to go into space for a holiday.

And yet space tourism ventures consistently struggle to be viable. Even SpaceX barely bothers with that market.

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You've got to give him credit though. His caustic managerial style seems to have borne fruit despite his lack of engineering or technical skills. He has been supremely effective at defining a vision(however delusional) and attracting funding. Will we get to Mars soon? Hell no. But we may end up with a world-leading launch provider based in the US and that's a clear win for the country.

> despite his lack of engineering or technical skills At least he has B.Sc. in physics and got admitted into Stanford. I think what Elon says is better explained not as a promise what would happen, but rather as a goal which they're going to aspire to. It kinda supports the idea "we're in business of converting impossible into late". If Elon will start offering more "realistic" schedules, the pace of SpaceX will slow…

I have a physics degree. It is not at all the same thing as an engineering degree.
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