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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by lonlazarus »

KyleBerezin wrote: post #85
eddythompson80 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with an Ender3 many, including myself, would connect it to a raspberryPi with octoprint to be able to send prints over the network. The SD card flow gets very tedious very quickly.

Oh god. OctoPrint, I forgot about that tool. Jesus, I'm still subscribed after all of these years. I do not want to know how much money I have been quietly bleeding for this tool.

Subscribed? It's just free software that you can put on a Pi or something. Not sure what you'd be paying for.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by nullsanity »

scottbez1 wrote: post #86
dakolli wrote: post #64

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Probably regulations, there are a few states trying to make it illegal for felons to own 3D printers by EOY. These things are about to get regulated like firearms, which is wild.

More strictly than firearms, in fact. Some of the proposed 3d printer laws will require printers being sold to be capable of evaluating what you are using them for and blocking “bad” usages. I’m not aware of any such legislation around firearms.

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

#113

Post by mttpwll »

parasubvert wrote: post #101
shakna wrote: post #98

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Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

No, it’s not creative at all, it’s what happened — I have first hand experience to corroborate this.

Regardless, at least in the US, not only are software-based ToS becoming unenforceable, but there’s a large upswing towards “right to repair” legislation, which, I think, is what you’re arguing against here… and I really think you’re going to be on the wrong side of history with your current line of thinking (despite what Bambu Labs does).

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by exitb »

asveikau wrote: post #109
mschulkind wrote: post #103

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If you turn on LAN mode, it acts exactly like every other printer. You can print directly to it from any slicer over your LAN, or dump gcode on the SD card directly.

People are saying the LAN mode lacks access to the webcam and possibly some other things. That is what this whole controversy is about. It's re-enabling some cloud features as local only and Bambu is calling it privacy or fraud.

I can use the webcam in LAN mode. Just - locally, in the slicer, not the cloud-based app.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by shakna »

parasubvert wrote: post #101
shakna wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there is. When purchased, it was able to do something. Due to an update, the customer has now been misled, because a feature was removed. In most countries, that would violate consumer rights. There's an ethics argument here.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

The ACCC is more than happy to explain unenforceable terms, if you'd like to do business with Australia.

Feel free to consult Steam, Google, Meta and others, if a software license is enough to ignore consumer rights.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by wildzzz »

asveikau wrote: post #83
mschulkind wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing two things from the whole picture: 1. Cloud mode works without local network access, so their server is involved in the transit of the data to the printer. This is pretty minor, but still within their rights to preserve. 2. For printing from the app, they actually run the computationally expensive slicing algorithm on their servers, so this is totally reasonable to protect.

But in this case the users want to use those features locally and are being blocked. Using a resource constraint argument doesn't make sense for it. It seems more likely they want it as a revenue source at some point.

They probably want to establish a commercial-use license. If you have a big print farm, you likely need all of those remote capabilities so you're going to need to pay for the license. The schmucks at home will likely continue to get it for free. Locking them into the cloud API by dangling convenient features just ensures most people won't stray into the local-only mode.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by parasubvert »

shakna wrote: post #115
parasubvert wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

The ACCC is more than happy to explain unenforceable terms, if you'd like to do business with Australia. Feel free to consult Steam, Google, Meta and others, if a software license is enough to ignore consumer rights.

I look forward to them sternly changing Bambu Labs' practices!

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by parasubvert »

mttpwll wrote: post #113
parasubvert wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

No, it’s not creative at all, it’s what happened — I have first hand experience to corroborate this. Regardless, at least in the US, not only are software-based ToS becoming unenforceable, but there’s a large upswing towards “right to repair” legislation, which, I think, is what you’re arguing against here… and I really think you’re going to be on the wrong side of history with your current line of thinking (despite…

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by parasubvert »

mystraline wrote: post #110
parasubvert wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a highly creative interpretation of events. The software license agreement usually upfront covers what can or cannot not change. It is pretty rare in most countries to see successful legal action for changed features, but best of luck.

The "agreement" is at best coerced, and under blackmail of hardware you bought and paid for. At worst, its a fraudulent indefinite rental masquerading as a 'sale'. And lets discuss 'updates that fuck over your hardware'. In dwcent countries, thats hacking, and a serious criminal charge. But lol, companies are somehow exempt.

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by eddythompson80 »

lonlazarus wrote: post #111
KyleBerezin wrote: post #85

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Oh god. OctoPrint, I forgot about that tool. Jesus, I'm still subscribed after all of these years. I do not want to know how much money I have been quietly bleeding for this tool.

Subscribed? It's just free software that you can put on a Pi or something. Not sure what you'd be paying for.

The creator has a patreon[1]. I did a one-time payment too because early on it really changed how I used my 3D printer and thought it deserved some support.

[1] https://octoprint.org/support-octoprint/

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