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Re: Starship V3

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Post by mrandish »

ghshephard wrote: post #79
danpalmer wrote: post #19

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Just realize that Gwynne Shotwell is the driver for 99% of the day-day at SpaceX and you can ignore everything else.

It's funny because I when realized it was signed by Elon I immediately wished it had been signed by Gwynne instead (although I'm sure she reviewed it anyway). I just knew being signed by Elon would push responses to being (even) more about Elon and divided along partisan political lines.

Which, at this point, has already been beaten to death and is just... tiresome. While discussing the broad concept of space-based compute in general (outside of SpaceX, Elon, etc) can still actually be interesting.

Re: Starship V3

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #94
jiggawatts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Even assuming "that's it", why not just install it in e.g. Morocco instead? It's not like space is any easier to access than the Sahara, and saving a few dozen ms of network latency isn't particularly valuable when your TTFT is measured in tenths of a second. Sure, sun synchronous orbits are a thing, but you also need more expensive panels and the comparative efficiency will decline over time vs land-based hardware a…

You need permission to do that in Morocco

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Post by Fordec »

The thing which is seemingly missing from this is their current largest hurdle emerging from the V2 testing. The heat shields keep failing.

I guess the focus is going to be on getting stuff up, rather than back down. Thus the Starlink and data center plays, not human space exploration.

Re: Starship V3

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Post by danpalmer »

gpt5 wrote: post #27
danpalmer wrote: post #19

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Why is everything today has to be "good" or "bad". Where is the nuance? Where is seeing things as they are - an exciting endeavor built by thousands of people, one of them has flaws you don't like. The rise of moralization of everything is really killing online discourse. It's gotten to the point where people will now mostly criticize and support ideas based on who proposed them, and not based on their merits. Tribal…

I hoped to get across that I still find this to be a nuanced issue. I like the content, I just dislike the discourse around it, which makes it hard for me to get excited about the content.

I too would like it to just be about the content, but nothing exists in a vacuum.

Re: Starship V3

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Post by wahnfrieden »

avmich wrote: post #74
01100011 wrote: post #41

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You've got to give him credit though. His caustic managerial style seems to have borne fruit despite his lack of engineering or technical skills. He has been supremely effective at defining a vision(however delusional) and attracting funding. Will we get to Mars soon? Hell no. But we may end up with a world-leading launch provider based in the US and that's a clear win for the country.

> despite his lack of engineering or technical skills At least he has B.Sc. in physics and got admitted into Stanford. I think what Elon says is better explained not as a promise what would happen, but rather as a goal which they're going to aspire to. It kinda supports the idea "we're in business of converting impossible into late". If Elon will start offering more "realistic" schedules, the pace of SpaceX will slow…

The physics degree is a deception and perhaps fabricated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35594076 (and it was a BA not BSc though that matters less)

And the Stanford admittance was for materials science, not physics as he lies about

Re: Starship V3

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Post by danpalmer »

ghshephard wrote: post #79
danpalmer wrote: post #19

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Just realize that Gwynne Shotwell is the driver for 99% of the day-day at SpaceX and you can ignore everything else.

This used to be my rationalisation, but my understanding is that Shotwell is the driving force behind the commercial and Falcon sides of the business and that there's a quite strong cultural divide between that and the Starship/Starlink side of the business which is driven by Musk. Apparently there's a lot of culture clash there.

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Post by Melatonic »

Definitely some cool photos of Starship V3 - how much of this is new info vs just a press release style announcement? I havent been following the latest rocket news much

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Post by danpalmer »

bigyabai wrote: post #29
danpalmer wrote: post #19

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> the increasing use of NASA as US propaganda NASA has been propaganda since Operation Paperclip, sadly. It's hard to politicize something that's always been political, even if Musk gives Peenemünde optics a run for it's money.

Of course, which is why I said "increasing". NASA is propaganda, but when the focus is on scientific advancement I can get behind that (as a non-American).

The problem is the recent shift away from science towards a more performative roadmap – getting to the Moon (again) is about showing off US might, not about science this time around, at least that's how it's being messaged. Many pure science endeavours have been canned. And the Artemis missions have a strong vibe of propaganda to them with slick marketing designed to emphasise America.

I guess to sum it up: doing good stuff and being seen to be good because of it, is fine, but making a show of doing good stuff explicitly for show, while behind the scenes doing as little as you can get away with, is not.

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Post by ActorNightly »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #95
spankalee wrote: post #38

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Honestly, I think he's spot on, and I normally am not fond of Elon's public behavior. I mentioned in another thread that they're getting around having to ask permission to build datacenters by doing it in space. The entire thing is to avoid NIMBY stuff I'd bet.

The model 3 was Elons last great idea (if it was even his). Since then, he has been wrong pretty much about everything.

Its to the point where anything he says is guaranteed to be wrong just on the merit that its coming out of his mouth.

Re: Starship V3

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Post by dullcrisp »

ericd wrote: post #114
dullcrisp wrote: post #90

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Okay but why not take that slightly larger solar panel and leave it on Earth? Is the sunlight millions of times brighter beyond the atmosphere? I don’t get it.

In space, that solar panel is always in the sunlight. No clouds, no night time. Weirdly enough, earth is a more challenging environment in some ways for solar. You need to lay out >3x the number of panels on earth to get the same power production, and you need batteries or a grid interconnection as a buffer. Also, there's a populist backlash on building datacenters, power transmission infra, and power generation in m…

How big is it? I have some space I’m not using, no pun intended.
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