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EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including 100 miles from international airports?

I think it's land and sea borders. Which would encompass all large coastal cities, the gulf coast and much of Texas/new Mexico /Arizona / socal due to proximity to Mexican border + Chicago/Michigan/etc due to proximity to Canadian border

International airports are a border and fall under CBP. So do "vessels", busses that may move between countries, etc.

> Employees traveling internationally on behalf of an organization must take steps to protect sensitive, confidential, or proprietary data carried on electronic devices. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has broad authority to inspect electronic devices—regardless of citizenship—at U.S. airports, land borders, seaports, and preclearance facilities abroad.

https://www.potomaclaw.com/news-Border-Search-Inspection-of-...

It's extremely complicated:

https://cdt.org/insights/no-warrants-and-half-a-dozen-differ...

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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This defendant was convicted of possessing CSAM. Before that fact causes you to lose sympathy for the case, note that almost every significant criminal case affirming constitutional rights involves a defendant who did something unsavory, if not reprehensible.

Miranda was a kidnapper and rapist. Danny Escobedo (right to an attorney during interrogation) murdered his brother-in-law. Clarence Earl Gideon (right to a court-appointed attorney) was a career criminal. It's the same with freedom of speech cases: they often involve jerks and assholes; otherwise, they probably wouldn't have gotten arrested in the first place.

You can root for the right outcome without rooting for the defendant.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #3

This is even more important than it sounds because the US federal goverment considers 100 miles inland from any international border (including the great lakes, etc) as being "the border". And that is where 80% of the people in the USA live.

That's incorrect, or at best misleadingly incomplete. 8 USC §1357(a) authorizes border agents to, "(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States."

The associated regulations, 8 C.F.R. §287.1, interpret "reasonable distance" to mean up to 100 miles from the actual border. But: "In fixing distances not exceeding 100 air miles pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section, chief patrol agents and special agents in charge shall take into consideration topography, confluence of arteries of transportation leading from external boundaries, density of population, possible inconvenience to the traveling public, types of conveyances used, and reliable information as to movements of persons effecting illegal entry into the United States."

The statute and regulation just mean that agents don't need to patrol the border at the literal border--which in some cases runs through the middle of bodies of water. But they must justify the determinations of what's a "reasonable distance" from the border must be based on what's needed to prevent illegal entry into the United States, based on factors such as topography and transportation routes.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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The trial court judge's take on the motion to suppress:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.55...

It's a tough call. On one hand, the feds were really reaching by singling out the defendant for inspection based on:

1) a vague notion that South America is a higher risk of CSAM and sex trafficking (the government's CBP witness couldn't even say that that background CSAM rate in the countries the defendant had traveled from was higher than in Virginia, the state of the defendant's port of entry), and

2) a vague FinCEN report that there was some unspecified payment activity between the suspect and an account or accounts believed to be of underage individuals.

On the other hand, the defendant consented to the initial search after being read a miranda warning and signing a waiver, and did in fact have a pattern of catfishing victims to get them to send CSAM. He also had banned coca products (doesn't sound like cocaine, probably just coca leaves or something) that they were citing him for.

I'd like to think the feds or any LE should need some reasonable suspicion of a particular crime before investigating them for that particular crime. I don't think they had that. This wasn't a generic border search and enhanced questioning (to find out if there was anything specific worth investigating).

I think the judge was lazy in concluding that the search was justified, and wanted to leave it to appellate courts to exclude evidence if it meant letting the defendant go.

Is the current state of the law really that anyone who within the last few years ever transferred any money to a minor, and happens to be coming from any country outside the 1st world, is subject to an inspection and initial cursory search of digital devices for specific illegal material because it's "Look for CSAM month"? I find that difficult to believe, and appalling if true, regardless of any crimes that were uncovered.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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The trial court judge's take on the motion to suppress: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.55... It's a tough call. On one hand, the feds were really reaching by singling out the defendant for inspection based on: 1) a vague notion that South America is a higher risk of CSAM and sex trafficking (the government's CBP witness couldn't even say that that background CSAM rate in the countries the d…

I was under the impression that at the border, no reasonable suspicion was required.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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The trial court judge's take on the motion to suppress: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.55... It's a tough call. On one hand, the feds were really reaching by singling out the defendant for inspection based on: 1) a vague notion that South America is a higher risk of CSAM and sex trafficking (the government's CBP witness couldn't even say that that background CSAM rate in the countries the d…

> BY MS. HALPER:

> Q Do you have any particular training in child exploitation?

> A Yeah. I've taken a few trainings.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #3

This is even more important than it sounds because the US federal goverment considers 100 miles inland from any international border (including the great lakes, etc) as being "the border". And that is where 80% of the people in the USA live.

There's Supreme Court precedent establishing that this isn't the case. ACLU itself had backed off it, last I checked, but since they used it for a very long time in fundraising, people will never, ever stop believing that 80% of the United States lives in a "Constitution-free zone". You cannot in fact be border-searched on the streets of Chicago; in fact, you can't even be border-searched at a lawful fixed immigration checkpoint.

Border searches need a nexus to an actual border crossing.

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including 100 miles from international airports?

I think it's land and sea borders. Which would encompass all large coastal cities, the gulf coast and much of Texas/new Mexico /Arizona / socal due to proximity to Mexican border + Chicago/Michigan/etc due to proximity to Canadian border

AFAICT, the line is 100 miles from the border as defined as "the edge of the US," not as defined as "100 miles from a foreign country."

This line[1] encompasses places even as far inland as Columbus, Ohio, and Columbus, Georgia, which are good examples of being perhaps least border-feeling, non-coastal cities that I've ever spent time in.

I wouldn't blame anyone for having never visited the grand metropolis of Fort Wayne, Indiana, but that's within 100 miles of the line, too.

Lots of other unlikely cities are this way are this way as well.

[1]: Here's a map on ArcGIS. I only found it; I did not have any part in creating it: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=f43e...

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #12

This defendant was convicted of possessing CSAM. Before that fact causes you to lose sympathy for the case, note that almost every significant criminal case affirming constitutional rights involves a defendant who did something unsavory, if not reprehensible. Miranda was a kidnapper and rapist. Danny Escobedo (right to an attorney during interrogation) murdered his brother-in-law. Clarence Earl Gideon (right to a cou…

Bad facts make for bad law

Re: EFF to 4th Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

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post #2

The original title is: > EFF to Fourth Circuit: Electronic Device Searches at the Border Require a Warrant

That's what the title is now, except that "Fourth" is now "4th". Was it meaningfully different at the time you posted that comment?
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