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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mschulkind »

bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

You're missing two things from the whole picture: 1. Cloud mode works without local network access, so their server is involved in the transit of the data to the printer. This is pretty minor, but still within their rights to preserve. 2. For printing from the app, they actually run the computationally expensive slicing algorithm on their servers, so this is totally reasonable to protect.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by bri3d »

nullc wrote: post #33
bri3d wrote: post #7

This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

> clients can send prints locally Using an AGPL violating mystery meat binary plugin that you run on your host, which potentially compromises any airgap you put around your printer (it attempts to connect to bambu servers, or did last time I checked it) and potentially your entire host.

No, the binaries aren’t necessary in LAN + Developer mode.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by _carbyau_ »

stavros wrote: post #27
_carbyau_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an Ender 3 too. And I have a Bambu machine - that I leave offline and use via microSD card as the Ender got me used to. I get it. The convenience of networking - when it works FOR the customer - is great. But networking controlled by corporations is a path to enshittification.

At least your use case would be served well by enabling LAN mode, which doesn't let the printer talk to the internet, even if you want it to (and I want mine to).

The problem is trust. I don't want to get into an adversarial relationship with my printer over networking.

I could enable LAN mode and trust the mode does what it says.

I could trust others firmware reverse engineering to verify LAN mode does what it says.

I could isolate it on it's own wifi and I could block it at the home firewall from accessing the internet, to be sure.

But it was easier to simply leave it off my network.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by stavros »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #43
stavros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least your use case would be served well by enabling LAN mode, which doesn't let the printer talk to the internet, even if you want it to (and I want mine to).

The problem is trust. I don't want to get into an adversarial relationship with my printer over networking. I could enable LAN mode and trust the mode does what it says. I could trust others firmware reverse engineering to verify LAN mode does what it says. I could isolate it on it's own wifi and I could block it at the home firewall from accessing the internet, to be sure. But it was easier to simply leave it off my…

Yeah, fair enough. I have a VLAN with no Internet access for those devices, it's convenient.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by roboror »

djfergus wrote: post #40

What is Bambu’s motivation here? What do they get for damaging their credibility like this? Just usage data? Training a model on everyone’s STL files?

Wild speculation here obviously, but it could be a regulation play--there's a lot of potential legislation that would regulate what you can legally 3D print, which would warrant a system to be the age-verification equivalent for 3D printing.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by c-hendricks »

em-bee wrote: post #12
Aurornis wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a vibe coded AI slop website if I’ve ever seen one. It even has a careers page that they didn’t try to edit out. There’s basically no information there. Is this just a copy of the other GitHub repo that was removed and someone is trying to rebrand it as their own? Or did they do some different work?

That’s an LLM generated website if I’ve ever seen one the explanation for that is here https://youtu.be/II2QF9JwtLc basically louis found that not using AI to design his website drastically reduced the hits he would get from google.

Wait, why would the method in which the HTML that Google indexes was generated matter?

(I get that web vitals might be taken into account, but you don't need a slop generator to make a static page)

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by mh- »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #32
SchemaLoad wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it but switched back to the online mode because being able to remotely check in via the app is very useful to check the print hasn't failed.

Mine is now offline. But when it was online, I never checked the app for failed prints. If the print has failed, I'll find out when I'm near enough to it to do something about it. When offline, it amused me when there was a "hairball" and the printer detected it advising "AI Detecting Print Error". At what level does an image analysis algorithm become "AI"?

I'm curious what concise phrase you'd display to convey the same information to that audience.

"Computer Vision Model and Nozzle Telemetry Analysis Detect Print Error"?

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Post by nirav72 »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #13
drum55 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been running mine offline for years, I don’t know why other people haven’t been. They’re the only competent and reliable printer that isn’t a project car in itself, but they’re obviously not completely trustworthy. Easily fixed with an air gap, updates work just great from a USB drive.

I tried it but switched back to the online mode because being able to remotely check in via the app is very useful to check the print hasn't failed.

Bambuddy and tailscale was my solution to losing access to mobile app once I went lan-only. Has video stream ,monitoring and control. Plus home assistant integration via MQTT. Only thing I’m missing is the ‘AI’ spaghetti monitoring. But those are rare for me.
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