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Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by KingOfCoders »

packetlost wrote: post #5
bitpush wrote: post #3

> I'm one of those crazy ones who likes to own something they purchased, and not have the company watch everything I do with hardware I paid for. What phone and laptop does Jeff use?

I'm guessing a Pixel with GrapheneOS

And I'm guessing an iPhone.

Internet influencers - nothing against this one, I like his videos, I think I got JetKVM because of one video - are a persona which is different from their person. They sell something in their videos and do things in videos that are different from their true self. Videos are primarily done to drive more subscribers. I don't dispute that he might be an exception but he has >1M subscribers which makes being authentic and not driven by audience difficult.

Take LTT as an extreme example.

[Edit] I'm not judging Jeff or saying this is good or bad.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by xd1936 »

p-e-w wrote: post #11

> Some people are okay with using OrcaSlicer and printing through Bambu's cloud. It's convenient if you're on the road and want to start a print on your printer at home Do such people really exist? Are there actually people who are comfortable blindly starting a robot in their home, with a part that heats to 150 C, and then hope that everything will work out and when they get home the part will be waiting for them, i…

I do this occasionally, but am fine with using Bambu's integrated Slicer and Remote Control software. It works well enough.

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Post by throwaway219450 »

dalben wrote: post #12

We have a Bambu Lab P2S at work. I was considering to buy one myself, because of the ease of use and relative affordability. What printers are similarly priced and have similar specs, for someone relatively new to 3D printing?

Without the AMS, a Prusa Mk4 (used?) You're always going to pay a bit more but they're European built and extremely repairable. Unfortunately you do need to pay for the Mk4 or Core to match Bambu's ease of use. The Mini is also great for occasional use if you don't need a big build volume.

The Mk3 is also easy, and can be had for cheap now, but it doesn't have auto Z-adjust which is really nice. It's also noticeably slower compared to the latest models.

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Post by stavros »

p-e-w wrote: post #11

> Some people are okay with using OrcaSlicer and printing through Bambu's cloud. It's convenient if you're on the road and want to start a print on your printer at home Do such people really exist? Are there actually people who are comfortable blindly starting a robot in their home, with a part that heats to 150 C, and then hope that everything will work out and when they get home the part will be waiting for them, i…

I don't know, do people exist who will run 220 V wiring through their house, even though a few mm of plastic separate the two wires from conflagration? Who use devices running on thousands of volts, with mere inches separating their hands from death?

Perhaps one or two.

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Post by awakeasleep »

p-e-w wrote: post #11

> Some people are okay with using OrcaSlicer and printing through Bambu's cloud. It's convenient if you're on the road and want to start a print on your printer at home Do such people really exist? Are there actually people who are comfortable blindly starting a robot in their home, with a part that heats to 150 C, and then hope that everything will work out and when they get home the part will be waiting for them, i…

That isn’t a significantly different risk from how you are required to use a FDM printer, regardless of circumstance.

Prints regularly take ten+ hours to complete. No one is vigilantly guarding their printer during this time. Fire spreads so quickly in a house that a smoke alarm is often just a signal to get out, you don’t necessarily have the time to grab a fire extinguisher and put it out.

And how big is the risk, really? The materials that you use do not ignite so close to their melting point.

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Post by happyPersonR »

Aside from orca slicers issues

Bambus p2s and their ams2 pro have had more hardware reliability issues in 1 month than is normal

Wayyyy more than my p1s and ams combo

I think there’s also some issue in their firmware that needs to be rolled back or perhaps properly tested

Gonna sound harsh :

This isn’t a printer anymore … it’s AI slop

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Post by goolz »

capitangolo wrote: post #2

I honestly don't get it. They have more to win by doing things right than with this crap they pull out . Never getting a Bambulab.

Ya at this point I mainly know Bambu from their adversarial behavior. Some friends and I put three new printers online this past month and proudly none are Bambulabs.

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Post by nekusar »

FlyingAvatar wrote: post #10
bitpush wrote: post #3

> I'm one of those crazy ones who likes to own something they purchased, and not have the company watch everything I do with hardware I paid for. What phone and laptop does Jeff use?

From watching his videos, he's an Apple guy for his personal devices, though his server infrastructure (and also the bulk of the devices he reviews and experiments with ) are Linux machines.

Well, cause the current linux phone ecosystem is a wasteland.

Pine sucked all the oxygen out of the environment, with a shit dead-on-arrival product. Pinephone doent even work as a bloody phone.

Other Linux phones are 2-3 generations old, and priced at $700 or so.

So, we're stuck with Apple or Google. Not great choices either way.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by kn100 »

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu.

For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type experience, but modern alternatives from others are nowhere near as hard as they used to be.

The closest "easy" alternative is probably Prusa, but you'll pay significantly more for a Prusa machine than you would a Bambu. They're an excellent company, and the complete opposite of Bambu when it comes to Openness. If money is no object, Prusa is highly recommended.

Beyond Prusa, there's a lot of other options. https://auroratechchannel.com/#section2 This list is a good one.

I personally run an old Elegoo Neptune 4 pro - but my needs are quite low. If I were buying today, a Snapmaker U1 or the Creality K2 Plus is probably where I'd end up going.

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