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Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by knollimar »

crote wrote: post #67
knollimar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the people who would leave after a layoff can do so preemptively, perhaps saving headcount for someone else?

The problem is that such voluntary separation programs tends to disproportionate attract high performers. You're losing the "10x engineer" who has stuck around because they like being here - despite getting attractive offers from the competition. The mediocre people who dread looking for a new job during a hidden recession aren't going to leave. They can't afford the risk of not being able to find a new place of empl…

I don't think people doing layoffs are thinking far ahead. In my unqualified opinion, it's either to stop burn or to generate short term profit.

Neither of these groups are valuing long term expertise

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by crote »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #110
Animats wrote: post #17

Their old CREDIT values: Collaboration, Results for Customers, Efficiency, Diversity, Inclusion & Belonging, Iteration, and Transparency. New values: Speed with Quality, Ownership Mindset, Customer Outcomes. In other words, work harder, not smarter, and no more DEI.

There seems to be a massive push against DEI over the last few years in the tech industry globally, despite it being one of the industry's greatest strength. Does anyone know what caused this?

Big Tech CEOs having a front-row seat at Trump's 47 inauguration should give you a decent hint: they bribed the right people, so now they get to enjoy the kickbacks. There's no risk of being regulated to death right now, so there's no need to pretend having the same values the Democrats pretend to have.

Corporate DEI was never real. There's no "push against" it, simply because there was never a genuine push for it. Large companies don't have moral values - if they did their CEOs wouldn't be billionaires.

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

I genuinely don’t know what “ Git itself is being reengineered for machine scale “‘means not what “rebuilding the CI/CD as orchestration layer” means.

I think you need to explain it like it’s a bash script else I don’t think you understand it.

(Ironically I don’t think if this article was the prompt, I don’t think an agent would code it up the way you are thinking)

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by bmarnane »

gsinclair wrote: post #127
PradeetPatel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a massive push against DEI over the last few years in the tech industry globally, despite it being one of the industry's greatest strength. Does anyone know what caused this?

I think you need to make a case for DEI being “one of the industry’s greatest strengths”. It’s not obvious to me.

If your product is used bya cross-section of society, then having a cross-section of society build it should lead to a better product no?

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by maxgashkov »

notTooFarGone wrote: post #58
Havoc wrote: post #37

>removing up to three layers of management in some functions so leaders are closer to the work. I wish them the best of luck with that plan. Middle management is where the institutional knowledge sits on how to actually get shit done despite challenges & broken processes/systems. It's an even worse plan than eliminating juniors.

Middle managment is also where most of your negative feedback is lost. I think moving fast in general needs tighter feedback loops and this is simply not possible in large organizations.

Negative feedback is not lost, it's filtered. No one at the top is equipped to deal with the actual feedback from ICs, unless your org is 10 people in a bike shed.

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by crote »

gsinclair wrote: post #127
PradeetPatel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a massive push against DEI over the last few years in the tech industry globally, despite it being one of the industry's greatest strength. Does anyone know what caused this?

I think you need to make a case for DEI being “one of the industry’s greatest strengths”. It’s not obvious to me.

How well would the tech industry do if they fired all the autistic people for "not being team players"? How many dev teams are there without at least one furry, trans person, or socially awkward geek?

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by zelphirkalt »

torben-friis wrote: post #87
Animats wrote: post #17

Their old CREDIT values: Collaboration, Results for Customers, Efficiency, Diversity, Inclusion & Belonging, Iteration, and Transparency. New values: Speed with Quality, Ownership Mindset, Customer Outcomes. In other words, work harder, not smarter, and no more DEI.

There's a 'github down' post here every other day. The ball is right there, bouncing alone in front of the goal, and they just have to position themselves as "we're the stable ones" to score that market when the exodus inevitably happens. Nope, full throttle and stimulants, just because.

This is what happens, when decision makers are out of touch.

So many things they could be doing, to make people buy into their services. For example they could simply run campaigns about how they promise to never use customer and user repositories for AI training. Or they could show better uptime statistics. Their CI language is better than Github's too.

If anyone gave me a choice between Gitlab and Github, I would go with Gitlab. But if I had additionally the choice to use Codeberg, I would choose that.

Maybe they are just not looking to grow. If they made such a statement, that would actually be a pleasant surprise. No hunger for "infinite exponential growth", just to impress investors? Great! That's a fat plus in my book!

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by walrus01 »

herpdyderp wrote: post #78
Steeeve wrote: post #43

Wow gitlab. Right when everyone was looking to see if you could lead with all the fails at github, you basically said "We're going to throw our source at ChatGPT and see what happens"

Right? I was seriously considering migrating everything in our company from GitHub to GitLab. Now I'm seriously considering self hosting our git instead.

I don't know if that really solves your problem if the main trunk of development for gitlab is being run through several AI slop machines before they push it to what they call stable, then you download that (or use a debian, redhat package for gitlab which originated from it) and self host on your own machine the results of the AI slop fest.

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Post by mapontosevenths »

crote wrote: post #101
Trasmatta wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ownership Mindset Every company I've worked at hammers the "ownership" idea and I hate it so much. It's how they drive a culture where employees are expected to invest themselves into "owning" a problem space that can be taken from them at any moment. It's how they trick you into doing extra work that's not in your job description. Unless you're ACTUALLY an owner, don't be fooled by an "ownership" value.

Ownership implies both accountability and agency. In practice you often get all of the accountability, none of the agency.

I almost lost a job once because I explained to the boss that only a fool would accept responsibility without authority.

The part I'd missed was that as middle management he didnt have any real authority himself... you live and you learn I guess.

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