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Prusa are clearly tools: you can fix it, modify it, and still have warranty apply. You can get after-sales parts, and service. Bambu are appliances. They can work great out of the box, but appliances do not have upgrade paths. You do not upgrade a microwave, you throw it out and get a new one. Or maybe it's more like a fridge, you can limitedly repair some bits, but you cannot wholesale upgrade from V1 to V2. Anyways…
I have four Prusa printers for my business with thousands of hours of print time. The worst issue that I have had is a finicky filament sensor that I temporarily disabled until I could fix it. I see it as buying printers design for industrial usage versus printers for hobby. Prusa is selling me a tool that just works every time.
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#322I am not involved in this industry so I never heard of the company or the youtuber before reading this. I am tempted to buy one just to make some things (that I don't need but might be fun to make).
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Willing to take ownership, and also forgo a lot of functionality that the device was billed as having when it was purchased. Defending Bambu here seems like the same mentality as supporting a manufacturer that implements a subscription model for heated seats in their cars. (Don't worry, we're an ethical manufacturer so we don't charge a premium for access to heated seats. As long as you have our app on your phone (re…
Or perhaps Claude, where if you decide go use a client other than theirs you are on your own in terms of the pricing model and implementation.
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Prusa is on par with Bambu in that respect. Really, Prusa are the ones that pioneered hassle-free calibration.
What Prusa is that? Last one I've used (not my own, community lab), I had to level the bed using the sheet-of-paper-method. Which is the reason why I got a Bambu for myself.
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i tossed my ender 3 for this reason alone. it’s just not worth the headache. it’s like the physical manifestation of vim, endless ways to tweak it and you could get lost with the tool instead of getting anything done. and i don’t even have a replacement, i’d rather have nothing than have a headache inducer
I’m about to toss my ender 3 s1 pro. The damn print won’t adhere to the bed. Z-probe calibration, temp towers, bed leveling, wash the plate, use a glue stick, turn the fan down, increase flow rate. I’ve tried it all. Still get spaghetti when I try to print a catamaran toy for my kid. Ironically I started using orcaslicer recently. It seems cool. But I really just want a working printer. Probably getting a bambu in sp…
That is my issue. I’m not printing guns or anything unsafe. I also don’t know what could happen in the future; it’s not like we get to govern ourselves (unless you buy into that lie). So given that, I’d rather stick with something that won’t have the capacity to stop me from using it later, for any reason.
The developer mode everyone loves to point out only came after massive community backslash to the fact that they made you unable to print without the Cloud. It wasn’t something they planned to add, it was an afterthought added only to quell the complaints and negative press which they can easily take away later again with an OTA firmware update (and have already demonstrated they are willing to).
You might call that noise, I call that a legitimate concern on being able to use the product I bought and paid for in the future. It’s good to be informed of what the “noise” is really about, since people like to marginalize concerns they dismiss or don’t understand. Best of luck with your purchase!
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Can you access all that on you local lan though? If so then you could access it over a reverse proxy like Tailscale. Its trivially easy to set one up these days.
Trivially easy to set up Tailscale, if you have a machine on 24/7 at home.
There is a lot of overlap between people who have a NAS and those with a 3D printer.
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There’s no reason to be nervous. You can use their slicer (which works well!). If you don’t want to, you can use one that sends through their Bambu Connect software, which Orca Slicer doesn’t want to support for…reasons. Or you can use it in LAN mode. Or you can just transfer the gcode via an SD card or flash drive like ye olde days. Despite the tone of the other reply to your question, they are absolutely the easies…
Which options are faster?
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I was almost just like you I got some recommendations from HN, all of them were for Bambu. I was lucky and they didn’t have any in stock when I wanted to buy… Now I’m nervous about buying one from anyone.
> I was almost just like you I got some recommendations from HN, all of them were for Bambu. Bambu has spent a ton of dough on paid advertising via YouTube shills (it is absolutely rampant in that scene - I like the channel Maker's Muse as a notable exception, who also has some funny videos up where he reads emails from various vendors trying to bribe or intimidate him in various ways), and many in the HN crows were…
In the beginning Bambu Labs came up with the X1C which is essentially a really good Core XY printer with an enclosure for $1500 that included a revolutionary AMS that no other manufacturer had. If you wanted a printer of similar quality, you would have had to build your own Voron for $1000 with the obvious caveat that you have to order the parts yourself and then assemble it.
Then Bambu Lab releases the P1S, which is comparable to a Voron but cheaper and you don't have to assemble it.
At that point Bambu Labs was no longer just a high end printer company with Apple aesthetics. Regular consumers could afford their printers.
Then they came up with the A1 mini and the AMS Lite. They've started building a printer that is cheaper than an Ender 3, but has the same print quality as the higher end Bambu Lab printers and despite being a gantry design, much faster print speeds with low setup and maintenance. I personally got an A1 mini for $200.
Compared to other Chinese competitors, their printers were both good and affordable. Prusa had good printers that were relatively expensive.
Meanwhile if you bought an Ender 3, which was the community recommendation before Bambu Labs, you basically brought an unreliable low quality piece of garbage into your house that you constantly have to maintain when it breaks or upgrade features that should have been there out of the box. The abysmally bad Ender 3 gave outsiders the impression that most 3D printer enthusiasts treated the printer as the project rather than the things they make with the printer.
Basically, the entire 3D printing community centered itself around a terrible overpriced 3D printer from a company that still produces garbage to this day. Meanwhile if you bought a rather expensive Bambu Labs printer you never had any issues to begin with. If the 3d printer community had centered around e.g. Sovol printers, this disconnect from reality probably have never happened.
Then Bambu Labs came out with the A1 bed slinger and at that point they had a printer that was cheaper and better in every single aspect. The masks from the existing Chinese 3D printer companies peddling you garbage fell off. Suddenly they have X1C, P1S and A1 clones that are 90% as good as Bambu Labs printers. Like, every single manufacturer realized simultaneously that their printers were bad and that they could have sold you printers that weren't terrible.
>And you know, the product might do that, the problem is the message that they're the only game in town, which has never been true and which they largely achieved on the back of work already done by others for them in software, designs and ecosystem development.
You're assuming some marketing fantasy which isn't the case. Most Chinese printer manufacturers simply made terrible products before Bambu Labs. If you restrict yourself to Chinese manufacturers, then Prusa is out. Back in those days when you were buying a Chinese printer, they really were the only game in town.
The thing about doing it on the back of others sounds stupid. There were hundreds of niche 3D printer companies that sold you unsupported products that barely worked. Obviously they didn't write their own software from scratch. They used existing software from the open source printer ecosystem.
>To contrast this: You often hear this about Apple, that they didn't necessarily invent the stuff, but they did the last-mile integration really well. It's incomparable. Apple did far more work on their products than Bambu ever did
Now you're getting things backwards. Bambi Lab's is a lot like Apple here, with the difference that they don't charge Apple level premiums. I'm wondering how you can take it for granted that they are doing the equivalent of selling a MacBook Pro at the price of a regular MacBook. Bambi Lab also came up with two AMS types before everyone else adopted multi filament printing in a mass consumer basis. Not to mention quality of life features like quick change nozzles.
You shouldn't rewrite history just because you don't like a company. Without Bamboo Labs we would be stuck with Creality.