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Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by untog »

semenko wrote: post #26
Apreche wrote: post #21

Should an unlocked phone be able to function on any carrier without hacking? Yes. If I had my way, there would even be laws guaranteeing customers this ability. However, I really can't sympathize with you at all. You intentionally and knowingly chose to do something that was not officially supported. Now you are complaining that your hack stopped working. If you wanted it to always work, you should not be doing somet…

"Now you are complaining that your hack stopped working." Just by comparison, Android supports on-device APN editing (see Settings -> More... [under Wireless and Networks] -> Mobile Networks -> Access Point Names). T-Mobile actually encourages users to edit their own APNs for IPv6 support, and has run an IPv6 custom APN beta trial for a while: https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch

Quick question- as a T-Mobile user, why would I want to enable IPv6? The list of bugs look huge, and I'm really not sure what the benefit is.

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by wmf »

untog wrote: post #51
semenko wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now you are complaining that your hack stopped working." Just by comparison, Android supports on-device APN editing (see Settings -> More... [under Wireless and Networks] -> Mobile Networks -> Access Point Names). T-Mobile actually encourages users to edit their own APNs for IPv6 support, and has run an IPv6 custom APN beta trial for a while: https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch

Quick question- as a T-Mobile user, why would I want to enable IPv6? The list of bugs look huge, and I'm really not sure what the benefit is.

T-Mo (and probably all carriers) is going IPv6-by-default in the future, so they asked people to help beta test. As with most beta testing, there's no particular benefit to you to participate.

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by nathana »

barredo wrote: post #29
semenko wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now you are complaining that your hack stopped working." Just by comparison, Android supports on-device APN editing (see Settings -> More... [under Wireless and Networks] -> Mobile Networks -> Access Point Names). T-Mobile actually encourages users to edit their own APNs for IPv6 support, and has run an IPv6 custom APN beta trial for a while: https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2283

For the gazillionth time, the iPhone Configuration Utility will not allow you to change the MMS APN, only the internet access APN.

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by willkelleher »

I have this exact same problem. It's infuriating.

I bought an 'unlocked' iPhone at full price with the expectation that I would be able to use it with the carrier of my choice only to discover that I can't.

I was without any mobile data for nearly a month because the unlockit.co.nz "solution" for modifying APN settings wasn't working for me. I tried it again (randomly) a week ago and data came back. Still no MMS.

I guess I should have bought an Android device, but I was so disappointed by my previous phone (Droid 2) that I'm hesitant to purchase another non-Nexus device. I also develop iOS apps and need something to test them on.

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by saurik »

sneak wrote: post #3

Apple also willingly blocks Facetime over 3G and tethering at the carrier's request (on a per-account basis) so that the carriers can upsell you. It really pisses me off that Apple is actively assisting the carriers in screwing me out of using the data that I'm already paying for. If I've paid the carrier for x GB, I should be able to use that for Facetime, wifi tethering, or whatever the hell else my phone is capabl…

You are actually paying for a probability distribution of how much data you are using: if you were paying for the data you weren't using, then the plan would be much more expensive than it is; this is due to insistence from customers to not be billed per-kB combined with competition between carriers.

The result is that if you just let FaceTime be used by everyone with an existing plan, enough more data will be used to skew the probability distribution for all other users, including those that are not using FaceTime, which would force an increase in all their plans as well.

Now, maybe you'd prefer that scenario; part of me actually does (but then, I'm also for per-kB billing, as it will make costs transparent and remove all of these weird incentives carriers have to limit things), but you can't just claim this is some simple matter of "I already paid for it".

For more information, I gave a detailed talk about this at JailbreakCon (yes: arguably a weird talk, but the audience was insanely diverse, so I had to find a topic that would work across the board from users to developers to security researchers; I went for something akin to "pricing myths").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_7ZW8fngXI

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by recuter »

sneak wrote: post #34
roc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand how business reality requires Apple to push at least some of the carriers' bullshit onto the customers. But the second a device is "unlocked", all this nonsense needs to be removed from it. There's no defensible reason for an "unlocked" iPhone to still be subject to ATT/VZW's anti-consumer preferences.

All iPads are unlocked. My iPad won't let me Facetime over 3G, and instead gives me a dialog telling me to call AT&T. This is after "Facetime over 3G" was promoted (by Apple) as one of the big features of iOS6. I'm almost willing to switch to a shittier UI/software just to not have to deal with thieving fucks like this.

Curios, so I checked the website: "iPad with Wi-Fi + Cellular can roam worldwide on GSM/UMTS networks. .. When you travel internationally, you can use a micro-SIM card from a local carrier."

However, they still make you specify your carrier (at&t/verizon/sprint). So, you are getting a carrier-flavored version when you buy an iPad in the US and it is only unlocked for travel?

That is terrible. I am vexed.

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #34
roc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand how business reality requires Apple to push at least some of the carriers' bullshit onto the customers. But the second a device is "unlocked", all this nonsense needs to be removed from it. There's no defensible reason for an "unlocked" iPhone to still be subject to ATT/VZW's anti-consumer preferences.

All iPads are unlocked. My iPad won't let me Facetime over 3G, and instead gives me a dialog telling me to call AT&T. This is after "Facetime over 3G" was promoted (by Apple) as one of the big features of iOS6. I'm almost willing to switch to a shittier UI/software just to not have to deal with thieving fucks like this.

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Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by emmapersky »

nathana wrote: post #33
chiph wrote: post #25

Possible solution? Trade handsets with someone who never upgraded to iOS 6.

Yes, possible solution, but not really practical, for the following reason: The iOS downgrade prevention mechanism also forces you to upgrade to the latest version, even if you do not want to do so willingly, if you ever need to restore (reload) the OS on your device. If iOS gets corrupted somehow and you need to reinstall, the only version you are authorized to install is the latest version for your particular devic…

I don't think this is true... Having never upgraded an unused old iDevice,I'm pretty sure I have still been able to restore from backup without upgrading. But this is really old, so maybe they stopped that in a later firmware update?

Re: Apple Broke My iPhone, and Their Policies Prevent Them from Fixing It

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Post by nathana »

kalleboo wrote: post #31

Apple's locked-down APN settings affect me as well, except for me it's only an annoyance. I use a travel SIM card with cheap data called abroadband. They have their own APN settings, but since the SIM card is issued by Telekom Austria, the iPhone will lock in TA's APN settings, which don't work. Now abroadband have a settings profile you can download and install, but since it overrides any settings you have, I have t…

Supposedly the APN submenu is hidden if a certain flag is set by the carrier in their Apple-signed carrier profile (which is distributed with iOS). So the carrier that controls the iOS carrier profile for your SIM's IIN can elect to either hide the menu or not hide the menu.

I'm arguing that on an unlocked phone, this flag should be ignored, OR the software should be re-engineered to do away with the flag in the first place (customers cannot abuse service by editing APNs if the customer is provisioned correctly by the carrier on their end in the first place). It's a dumb restriction, a dumb option to give carriers, and a dumb thing to hoist on customers that bought the phone out-right or who are no longer under contract.

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