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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

deaux wrote: post #20

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> Meta and Jeff Bezos being held up in a good light

The message to a group of graduating artists should have been about the literature, art and public works that turned the Industrial Revolution's hyper-concentrated gains into broadly-felt benefits. (And then, after WWII and the Green Revolution, encouraged us to start reckoning with its environmental cost.)

AI is potentially—and with increasing confidence day to day—showing itself to be useful. That deserves neither worship nor demonization. Yet history—told by the humanities!—tell us, it probably hasn’t started in the right leaders’ hands. It is the role of the humanities to show and guide the public through that debate and reconciliation.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by hirvi74 »

xantronix wrote: post #19
hirvi74 wrote: post #13

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Most people in uni have compulsory humanities courses, so I imagine it's not too hard for them to attribute actions by moneyed interests to boost AI to the furtherance of capital, surveillance, and a widening of the economic gap. The fact remains, though, most of these degrees (with the obvious exception of those specific to current AI/LLM technologies) could have been attained without AI before.

Sure, I do not disagree in the slightest. However, I think degrees, while optimistically serving as a certification of a certain level of understanding/knowledge, also provide a sort of social signal. However, Goodhart's Law is still in full effect, so that does complicate matters a bit.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pesus »

trhway wrote: post #16
jklinger410 wrote: post #6

If you want people to like AI, show them a future that doesn't leave them in abject poverty.

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For someone taking about basic logic, you're making quite the leap in logic by assuming they used LLMs to do every single bit of schoolwork.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

I don't really think we should talk about it with "use cases" anymore when it can virtually replace/enhance literally almost any form of white collar work and soon physical labor as well (people will act surprised the moment it comes of course, the same as with LLMs despite all the researchs made prior, if theory supports it = it will be), of course humanoids will be in every homes and they'll cost the same as a phone, soon enough, and we will also not be able to live without.

We don't talk about human intelligence with "use cases", I think we need to be realistic about what AI will be in our lives, most people already can't do without, and this will without doubt expand further.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by multiplegeorges »

lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

When the leading CEOs are saying the next generation will be unemployed due to AI... uh yeah, you're gonna lose them!

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

JohnMakin wrote: post #38
lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

They have to frame it this way, because the market has invested in it being "the next internet" kind of event.

It's much more than that, it will solve the deepest mysteries of the universe, not now, but in a decade, very likely.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by baggachipz »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

> Speaking to graduates of University of Central Florida’s College of Arts and Humanities and Nicholson School of Communication and Media Well, yeah.

Right, read the room. Tell them that "there are challenges ahead, but their excellent education and optimism will overcome even the most ominous obstacles, technological or otherwise."

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by fullshark »

lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

That will happen inevitably, we are throwing spaghetti at the wall right now, and cleaning up the mess, lessons will be learned. The question is whether that phase will lead to real lasting damage and to what. For myself I no longer read cold emails, I believe they are all AI generated, and that communication method may legitimately die culturally. What else will be destroyed?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

baggachipz wrote: post #47
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

> Speaking to graduates of University of Central Florida’s College of Arts and Humanities and Nicholson School of Communication and Media Well, yeah.

Right, read the room. Tell them that "there are challenges ahead, but their excellent education and optimism will overcome even the most ominous obstacles, technological or otherwise."

> their excellent education and optimism will overcome even the most ominous obstacles, technological or otherwise

Or, alternatively, that we need the humanities today in a fundamental, possibly existential, way. If AI is another Industrial Revolution, rise to be our Sinclairs, Dickens and Tolstoys.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

pixl97 wrote: post #23
rgbrenner wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

was the industrial revolution oriented for ordinary people at the time it occurred? were a lot of workers buying flying shuttles in the 1700s?

I mean the Luddites were mad for a reason, and many may forget the industrial revolution was a rather bloody affair. Avoiding a repeat of that would be great while also increasing productivity would be good.

The Luddites were mad not because the machines put them out of work but because the machines were supremely shitty. The machines were dangerous and they made lousy products that reflected a lack of pride in workmanship.

The Luddites were all for saving labor, but not if enshittified products and slavery to unreliable machines were the price.

Sounds pretty familiar to me.

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