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PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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post #112

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If hammer companies were suddenly the most valuable international companies, and spent millions on ad campaigns and lobbying about trusting the hammer interface, then you can assume a large amount of people might trust the hammer interface

Still, it's a tool. Even if your tool learns to talk and to make decisions, it's still a tool, not a person. You're the person and the one responsible for the decisions you make based on your tools. Going back from the analogy, the problem is that we conflated software with "coders". A lot of people thought their job was to create code, we gave them a tool to generate a lot of code fast, and they truly think that "mo…

A hammer usually doesn't have the power to persuade people.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

#142

We learned from the past litellm security incident that there are tons of compromised/fake GitHub stars (which was known from the past due to the star farms) I don't see vibe coders trying to push PRs in good faith in a old emulator. Could it be that the sheer amount of PRs and eventually a bad PR in the middle is being used to compromise repositories?

It's for their CV's

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Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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post #48

The problem is really behavioural, not the tooling. People that do not understand, test and document their decision making in their PRs should not be submitting them, regardless of what tooling (AI or otherwise) they used to create them. This problem existed before AI, but it is now just worse due to the spamming nature of these "contributors". It's another form of endless September where people unfamiliar with the n…

No, it is a tooling problem. The tooling is telling laymen that they built wonderful things that definitely work and perfectly fix and add features. The tooling gasses them up and is simply wrong in these cases. If your tool regularly lies, gaslights and produces wrong results, that's a tooling issue.

Everyone, "please please please don't personify llms it's so harmful."

Also everyone, "the inanimate tool is lying and tricking people into inundating open source developers with poorly thought out slop."

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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When used according to it’s datasheet/user manual, how?

When their precision mismatches their accuracy (or your expectations as driven by their design), just like with any other metrology tool. Now you might say: "but the datasheet will give you the tolerances, and the manual will tell you to mind it!" And yes, that's true. Just like how LLM providers also do: they tell you that outputs may be arbitrarily wrong , and that you should always check for mistakes. Is this bull…

That's the difference - they have well defined and bounded errors. LLMs do not.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

#145
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If hammer companies were suddenly the most valuable international companies, and spent millions on ad campaigns and lobbying about trusting the hammer interface, then you can assume a large amount of people might trust the hammer interface

Still, it's a tool. Even if your tool learns to talk and to make decisions, it's still a tool, not a person. You're the person and the one responsible for the decisions you make based on your tools. Going back from the analogy, the problem is that we conflated software with "coders". A lot of people thought their job was to create code, we gave them a tool to generate a lot of code fast, and they truly think that "mo…

> it's still a tool, not a person.

Tell that to the CEO's who have replaced all of their yes-men with yes-chatbots.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

#146
post #48

The problem is really behavioural, not the tooling. People that do not understand, test and document their decision making in their PRs should not be submitting them, regardless of what tooling (AI or otherwise) they used to create them. This problem existed before AI, but it is now just worse due to the spamming nature of these "contributors". It's another form of endless September where people unfamiliar with the n…

No, it is a tooling problem. The tooling is telling laymen that they built wonderful things that definitely work and perfectly fix and add features. The tooling gasses them up and is simply wrong in these cases. If your tool regularly lies, gaslights and produces wrong results, that's a tooling issue.

There will usually be more than one issue, Sockbot's solution just happens to deal with more than one at a time.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When their precision mismatches their accuracy (or your expectations as driven by their design), just like with any other metrology tool. Now you might say: "but the datasheet will give you the tolerances, and the manual will tell you to mind it!" And yes, that's true. Just like how LLM providers also do: they tell you that outputs may be arbitrarily wrong , and that you should always check for mistakes. Is this bull…

That's the difference - they have well defined and bounded errors. LLMs do not.

Which is a notably different argument than whether they can lie to you.

Why are we skipping over the miscalibrated, defective, or ill-documented devices bit though? Those also all have arbitrary error.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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> ..laymen.. That’s the behavioral problem. When AI is assisting a professional, the outcome is vastly different.

If investors invest heavily in lemon juice, then go around hyping it and selling it with the promise it makes you invisible to cameras (which it doesn't), it doesn't matter how stupid and gullible the rubes who fall for that are, the investors bear the responsibility for giving them that idea, when people start attempting to rob banks with lemon juice on their faces. (cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Greater_Pit…

What you say makes no sense and no one will act in the ways you proscribe.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

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post #78
post #48

The problem is really behavioural, not the tooling. People that do not understand, test and document their decision making in their PRs should not be submitting them, regardless of what tooling (AI or otherwise) they used to create them. This problem existed before AI, but it is now just worse due to the spamming nature of these "contributors". It's another form of endless September where people unfamiliar with the n…

Nope. If the tooling is fooling then the tooling IS the problem.

The tooling shouldn't be more clever than the user, otherwise the user is incredibly gullible. IMO the problem is that AI is filling an psychological need, not an intellectual one.

Re: PS3 Emulator Devs Politely Ask That People Stop Flooding It with AI PRs

#150

We learned from the past litellm security incident that there are tons of compromised/fake GitHub stars (which was known from the past due to the star farms) I don't see vibe coders trying to push PRs in good faith in a old emulator. Could it be that the sheer amount of PRs and eventually a bad PR in the middle is being used to compromise repositories?

It's for their CV's

Does it really count? Honest question.

I mean, if I interview a candidate who put such thing on the CV, it wouldn't matter, but if it did, I would make 300% sure to ask him all the ins and outs. I think it would be plain stupid to expose that you didn't do that instead of showing smaller collaboration that you completely understand

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