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Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

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Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#181
Kinda burying the lede: AI tools found over a dozen CVEs in curl last year, and hundreds of bugs.

"Primarily AISLE, Zeropath and OpenAI’s Codex Security have been used to scrutinize the code with AI. These tools and the analyses they have done have triggered somewhere between two and three hundred bugfixes merged in curl through-out the recent 8-10 months or so. A bunch of the findings these AI tools reported were confirmed vulnerabilities and have been published as CVEs. Probably a dozen or more."

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#182

> Not particularly “dangerous” I'm not sure that follows. As noted, curl was already analyzed to death with every tool available; most software isn't at that level.

But Mythos is not marketed as a tool that can do the same as other tools already available maybe slightly better, but as a revolution.

I'm agnostic with Anthropic/Mythos but if there aren't any vulnerabilities there it's hard to find it.

Until we find vulnerabilities in curl that Mythos missed, it's hard to say how good it is.

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm not interested in Firefox bugs, but I've done it with my own large projects. What I think happened here is an Anthropic team with very little security expertise were working on finding bugs for marketing reasons and when they prompted to make POC exploits of those bugs they didn't have much success because they didn't really know what to ask for. They then proceeded to very finely tune their next model to eag…

> No, I'm not interested in Firefox bugs, but I've done it with my own large projects. Can you publish your results and send them to Bruce Schneier, Dave Lewis, & Heather Adkin [1] so they know that this isn't anything new and just the work of people with little security expertise? [1] https://labs.cloudsecurityalliance.org/mythos-ciso/

That whitepaper did not need 19 authors. They're there for show.

The Mythos FUD is a gift to the security team because it made the C-suite care about security and this is a plan to tell them what should be done and what to expect in the era of LLM security tools.

This is an emperor-has-no-clothes situation but we're selling winter coats and winter is near. Not focusing on how the Mythos FUD is exaggeration and instead focusing on actually necessary security postures is perhaps a tad dishonest but it still gets everybody in a better state and is an unfortunate common point in C-suite politics (and why the rich and powerful often seem so disconnected from reality and common people, everyone around them is trained to interact with them in a certain way and "mythos marketing is bullshit" is one of those things that people just don't say to them)

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#184
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Quote: "My personal conclusion can however not end up with anything else than that the big hype around this model so far was primarily marketing. I see no evidence that this setup finds issues to any particular higher or more advanced degree than the other tools have done before Mythos. Maybe this model is a little bit better, but even if it is, it is not better to a degree that seems to make a significant dent in co…

Is Mozilla marketing on Anthropic's behalf? As part of our continued collaboration with Anthropic, we had the opportunity to apply an early version of Claude Mythos Preview to Firefox. This week’s release of Firefox 150 includes fixes for 271 vulnerabilities identified during this initial evaluation. As these capabilities reach the hands of more defenders, many other teams are now experiencing the same vertigo we did…

It is difficult to compare these two accounts since Daniel Stenberg didn't get access to Mythos himself, and we have no information about how it was run compared to the other AI models that have been used on curl. It is possible that Mythos is not much better than these other models, but it is also possible that the curl team simply made better use of the other models.

Part of what made Mythos so effective for Mozilla was the integrated agentic workflow where it not only looked for bugs, but then created an exploit to demonstrate them, and ran that exploit while dynamic analysis was enabled verifying that invalid memory access occurred. In this case it hard to know how much of their success was because they put more effort into the harness compared to previous tools (we know they did), or if Mythos was more suitable for this sort of workflow to begin with.

Not many apple-to-apple comparisons to be made with Mythos at this point.

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#185

> Not particularly “dangerous” I'm not sure that follows. As noted, curl was already analyzed to death with every tool available; most software isn't at that level.

Mythos is either dangerous or not. We are taking dangerous to mean that the number of vulns it finds will be much greater than bugs found with available tools.

Since mythos found only one additional vuln, and since x+1 is not much greater than x, it follows that mythos is not dangerous per the definition above.

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Firefox less invested in this than Curl? I mean there must be some explanation for this.

It's in the first sentence of your quote: "our continued collaboration with Anthropic" Read this as: "we get discounts, rate limit increases, a direct line to responsible product managers; in exchange we participate in friendly marketing." It's extremely common in this line of business - typical of database vendors, software tool companies, etc.

Conspiratorial nonsense

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#188
post #3

Quote: "My personal conclusion can however not end up with anything else than that the big hype around this model so far was primarily marketing. I see no evidence that this setup finds issues to any particular higher or more advanced degree than the other tools have done before Mythos. Maybe this model is a little bit better, but even if it is, it is not better to a degree that seems to make a significant dent in co…

> My personal conclusion can however not end up with anything else than that the big hype around this model so far was primarily marketing.

I think the results say more about the great job the curl team has done maintaining their codebase.

This doesn’t mean Anthropic's Project Glasswing is a marketing stunt. Logically, it doesn’t make sense: when they announced Mythos Preview, Anthropic couldn’t meet customer demand; they didn’t have enough compute to go around. So they decide to hype an unreleased product to drive even more demand? All that would do is piss off their existing customers who already experiencing rationing and frequent outages.

Many forums were already flooded with "I cancelled Claude Code" as it was.

On the contrary, it would be incredibly irresponsible and unethical for such a young company with billions of dollars of other people’s money invested in them.

Because the Mozilla team used Mythos and found 271 vulnerabilities [1], does that mean they're in on the so-called "marketing stunt"?

Of course, if Anthropic had released Mythos to the public and bad actors used it to hack a large number of banks, hospitals, government agencies, etc. in a matter of days, the HN crowd would be all over them for acting irresponsibly and criticizing them for not knowing better.

[1]: "Behind the Scenes Hardening Firefox with Claude Mythos Preview" — https://hacks.mozilla.org/2026/05/behind-the-scenes-hardenin...

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#189
post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Mozilla marketing on Anthropic's behalf? As part of our continued collaboration with Anthropic, we had the opportunity to apply an early version of Claude Mythos Preview to Firefox. This week’s release of Firefox 150 includes fixes for 271 vulnerabilities identified during this initial evaluation. As these capabilities reach the hands of more defenders, many other teams are now experiencing the same vertigo we did…

It is difficult to compare these two accounts since Daniel Stenberg didn't get access to Mythos himself, and we have no information about how it was run compared to the other AI models that have been used on curl. It is possible that Mythos is not much better than these other models, but it is also possible that the curl team simply made better use of the other models. Part of what made Mythos so effective for Mozill…

> then created an exploit to demonstrate them, and ran that exploit while dynamic analysis was enabled verifying that invalid memory access occurred

Four years ago that would have sounded like science fiction. Right now, I think that even Gemini Flash might be able to do that, given a couple of attempts.

Re: Mythos Finds a Curl Vulnerability

#190
As far as I can tell, the messaging around Mythos is that it takes the expertise of the top security experts and top-level language, protocol and code experts and makes that available to anyone with access. The danger was in giving that access to the world before the defenders had access to that level of expertise.

Curl HAS had security, protocol and language experts poking at it for years because of how central it is to everything. That Mythos found anything is interesting but not a sign that it's been marketing hype and isn't dangerous.

You can bet that 99.99% of projects aren't nearly as secure as curl and it doesn't matter if they are open or closed source (LLM's will happily decompile closed-source projects and explore). Unless your project has been fuzzed and gone over with existing AI tooling and by experts, expect that it can already be hacked - even with the tooling that is out there now and that something like Mythos makes it accessible for an even wider population pool with less expertise to use.

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