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Local AI needs to be the norm

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Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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Is it so different? If the US’s fascist experiment continues past the current president, we’ll absolutely be nationalizing frontier companies or exerting equivalent control.

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get the hell out of here with this "TDS" garbage. they literally just disenfranchised all the black voters in the south.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#622
Quote 1: "We need to return to a habit of building software where our local devices do the work."

Quote 2: "I can only speak on the tooling available within the Apple ecosystem since that’s what I focused initial development efforts on."

Oh, the irony. I will use your tooling when is available on Android with F-droid, that's when, at least, be decoupled from big companies grip.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#623

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And this is exactly what the LLM provider industry is fighting tooth-and-nail. It’s not only because it doesn’t directly contribute to their bottom line, it also directly opposes the idea that LLMs are going to replace entire workers rather than enhance the abilities of individual workers. What we’re headed towards would have been a killer product and probably still shifted a bunch of capital to the bazillionaires ha…

As long as Apple and Google put reasonable AI capabilities on device, then software engineers will use those capabilities when it makes sense (the article gives lots of good examples of capabilities that make sense to run locally). As the author notes, it's cheaper and more reliable to run these things locally. That also doesn't preclude LLM services from being massively successful, they'll just have to justify the p…

> they'll just have to justify the pricing

like by selling it at a loss to build dependencies and then jacking the price up year after year by whatever amount is just below the cost of removing the dependency

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#624
I'm literally working on an iOS app right now that needs to infer some input fields from free text typed by the user. Now to take into consideration typos, unstructured text (pricing, dates .. etc), I was pondering a cloud LLM or a basic local parser or even a local on-device LLM (ANE for 15+ devices and a different on-device LLM for the older models)

For the different on-device LLM, I literally went to HuggingFace and filtered by the smallest available models that can do the job, and Granite-4.0-h-1b works just fine, it corrects typos, infers dates, currencies all fields I need.

And it got me thinking how my first reflex was to rely on a cloud LLM which is waaay overkill for my need. Granted, an on-device LLM will need to be loaded on the devices on install or downloaded after the fact (which adds latency when the user needs it for the first time) but still, it's a better tradeoff than a cloud LLM.

I decided on a basic parser, and so far it seems to work fine. granted, it struggles with some words, but I just need to finetune it to have as much coverage as possible in terms of typos without triggering false positives.

A lot of developers have that reflex too and go along with it and then just pass the API costs to the customer. I could have gone that route too but turned out I don't even need an LLM for my usecase.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#625
> Most app features don’t need a model that can write Shakespeare, explain quantum mechanics, and pass the bar exam. They need a model that can do one of these reliably: summarize, classify, extract, rewrite, or normalize.

> And for those tasks, local models can be truly excellent.

100% true and I use them for this. But the open-source models seem to be drying up unfortunately. There never was much incentive for the big players to train a model and give it away for free, it was mostly virtue signalling and advertising for their knowhow. The AI "race" seems to have entered a new phase that's more on clamping down costs and making money and this doesn't fit in well.

I hope good local models will still appear but the days that there was a new groundbreaking model for download every couple of weeks is over :'(

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#626

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Is it so different? If the US’s fascist experiment continues past the current president, we’ll absolutely be nationalizing frontier companies or exerting equivalent control.

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It's a huge mistake to jump from "all recent presidents have abused executive power in some way" (accurate and bad, and we shouldn't stand for it) to "they are all the same/their abuses are equally extreme/damaging" (incredibly ignorant and incorrect)

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

#629
(I am not an expert on anything.) One happy circumstance here is that while the RAM cartel is chasing Big AI's money today, in the medium term its self-interest probably makes it a supporter of local AI. A new, compelling reason to have 128GiB, 256GiB or more of VRAM on all your devices? You can be sure that the dollar signs are glowing in their eyes already. The less efficient use of VRAM by personal devies (any given device's VRAM will be mostly idle much of the time) tends to make it more attractive, all else being equal (though of course it isn't) compared to the centralised systems run by engineers and accountants striving all day to maximise ROI; and in any case, since the short-run supply constraints on RAM go away in the longer term, the RAM manufacturers will be able to supply both. My guess is that you can probably also also explain Apple's AI strategy (sit tight and wait for Moore's Law to make local AI more viable) and maybe even nVidia's (lay the groundwork for a gradual switch from selling shovels to the army to selling shovels at Home Depot over time, at least as a Plan B) in similar terms.

Re: Local AI needs to be the norm

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I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but Perl script was able to do all of that like ... 10 years ago? The out-of-the-box Shotwell manages photos quite well without any intelligence. The problem, as people mentioned above, is SOTA models cognitive and tooling abilities. Also, have you noticed as top-end Mac Studios got downgraded recently? They don't want you to have access to frontier models. And you will not have it. See…

> They don't want you to have access to frontier models. And you will not have it. See Mythos as Exibit A. "They" fully well know that they current frontier model are maybe 6 month ahead of what people will have access to without their control. See Deepseek as Exibit B The reason you can't run these locally are more with the fact that those mythos sized models require extreme amount of memory and processing power to…

Although, I wonder how many orders of magnitude in terms of affordability the utilization rate actually gets them. Realistically if you use a self-hosted LLM for your job, you might be using it, what, a solid 6 hours per day? Assuming you can keep it actually fed, while working (so, some agentic thing might be necessary, I guess it will need to be more than VSCode autocomplete and responding to individual prompts). Anyway, that starts you out at 1/4’th the utilization, a 4X price increase might be worth paying for privacy and stability (no sudden change in model behavior, no price changes, no days when the system is over-utilized for reasons outside your control).

Rather I think it is just hard for local LLMs to compete in this early stage when the cloud providers are allowed by investors to be unprofitable.

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