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Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#581

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I say this in good faith: oh, stop.

does it piss you off that punct isn't used properly anymore and that, commas, can happen anywhere? Are you one of those who still has use for em-dash?

> Are you one of those who still has use for em-dash?

I still like ‘em!

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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post #528

The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds. The push back has to be via putting pressure on politicians by making regular people more aware. Right now, the vast majority of users are being bombarded with a one sided narr…

I agree with the direction, but not the blind spot.

Your audience is going to shut you out if you don’t show you understand their reality.

I reach out to people, and every tech and media person I know, is holding sessions on government over reach and invasion of privacy, raising alarm bells.

Everyone not in tech, has just about had it with being predated upon, being screwed over and in general would rather warm themselves on a bonfire of tech stock, than do a thing to support it. Voters are HAPPY to see tech brought under control.

The degree of fraud, predation, privacy invasion that regular adults encounter, let alone children, is absurd.

To take the most civil and benign trend I know: online communities are dying to a glut of slop, bots, and spam. Users and mods are simply unable to keep up with this, and are increasingly likely to ding users as much as bots.

A majority of humanity, who live in the developing world, encounter even worse, AND have less recourse to support.

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Success in these things requires connecting with people. You cannot do that if you come across as a know it all.

You must open with an acknowledgement that Tech is not doing a good job for users, but giving governments sweeping powers is not the antidote.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#583

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The biggest mistake is that people trusted a company that, in reality, isn't that different from Apple. Just because everyone claimed Android as the true open source alternative to iOS, when only AOSP was that.

Yea agree. I reeeeally dont get why Google or Apple have good reputation at all.

They built products people like, and specially Apple has good reputation for building reliable, long-lasting and easy to use stuff for most people, leading to a heavy user adoption. But heavy user adoption without the proper regulation and company ethics leads to, well, monopolistic practices.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#584
post #528

The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds. The push back has to be via putting pressure on politicians by making regular people more aware. Right now, the vast majority of users are being bombarded with a one sided narr…

> If you want to make a meaningful contribution, however small, then make it a point to educate people about the control they are giving to large corporations like Google.

This is a fool's errand. We live in a time without virtuous values, where convenience is king. The masses don't care about cookies or consent, they accept all. They only understand direct punishment.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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post #528

The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds. The push back has to be via putting pressure on politicians by making regular people more aware. Right now, the vast majority of users are being bombarded with a one sided narr…

> If you want to make a meaningful contribution, however small, then make it a point to educate people about the control they are giving to large corporations like Google. This is a fool's errand. We live in a time without virtuous values, where convenience is king. The masses don't care about cookies or consent, they accept all. They only understand direct punishment.

Generalizing like this is a fool's errand, if anything. We care, and we are part of the "masses". If this is something you care about, share with others: there will be those who value it.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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post #528

The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds. The push back has to be via putting pressure on politicians by making regular people more aware. Right now, the vast majority of users are being bombarded with a one sided narr…

> In my experience, once the issue is framed as 'Google will decide what you can do with your phone' every single person is immediately outraged. Apple already does this and practically no one is outraged

Apple doesn't own re-captcha. Apple's walled garden is still a tragedy but its a tragedy of willing participants.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#587
post #554

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No? Apple charges a fee on every app sale. Where do you think the app makers pay that walled garden tax?

Buying apps is hardly "all activity on a phone". It's completely inconsequential to my spend since summer of 2008, when I began using Apple products. Maybe a couple hundred dollars in total app store purchases? It would make no sense for me to base a decision about devices I use day and night over that small amount of money (30% of a couple hundred dollars).

> It would make no sense for me to base a decision about devices I use day and night over that small amount of money (30% of a couple hundred dollars).

Fair enough. It might not be consequential for you, the fact remains Apple took 30% of every dollar you spent on the app store. This, after you paid a premium for Apple hardware. I'm happy the walled garden with a toll is worth it for you. All I'm saying is, others might not agree with that if they knew. Just look at the push back again tariffs as an example.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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....and this is only Google phones solely because NONE of the alternatives meet the team's stringent security requirements.

The graphene project seems to choose security over freedom in a few cases. They also recommend using the Google Play store over F-droid IIRC. Not my preference, but they seem so far ahead of other ROMs right now that I use it still. I do believe people have built and installed it on other devices without too much trouble, but I don't think that'll ever be supported.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to the supported Motorola (Lenovo) phones in 2027.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#589
post #528

The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds. The push back has to be via putting pressure on politicians by making regular people more aware. Right now, the vast majority of users are being bombarded with a one sided narr…

> The superhuman efforts that folks on HN make to find technical workarounds and solutions is wonderful to see, but we must realize that this is not a technical problem. It's a social and legislative one. It can't be fought on technical grounds.

This. No matter how good the intentions are, this represents the infrastructure that can be exploited to persecute individuals and groups and deprive them from the most basic rights.

And before anyone tries to downplay this as scaremongering, US legislators have introduced the legal framework to reject visas based on what comments the applicant may or may not have said in the past years regarding the current government.

Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

#590

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Let them know. Write a letter to the CEO. And vote with your wallet and switch banks if you can. There's always a bank willing to offer you a non-app 2FA scheme.

> Let them know. Write a letter to the CEO. I think you're naively presuming the issue is simple and easy to address with a letter. Regardless of your bank, payment systems such as Visa and Mastercard have blocked transactions involving mainstream online stores such as Steam because they unilaterally deemed some games to be problematic. You cannot fix this problem with an email.

These are two unrelated problems. One is "payment systems use imperfect heuristics in their own operations to fulfil their regulatory obligations." The problem I was referring to is "banks push 2FA onto end users but are unwilling to give them alternatives that don't involve meddling with the user's own most private and expensive device."

The latter is absolutely a thing where customers can (and should IMO) push back hard.

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