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A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by vintagedave »

Paywall: can anyone share what the issue is?

Inaccuracy in meeting minutes?

Leaking private info, re security of notes?

I have never used them (don't trust them to accurately capture what is important in a meeting vs just noting what's mentioned), but the concept seems very useful to me.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by close04 »

vintagedave wrote: post #2

Paywall: can anyone share what the issue is? Inaccuracy in meeting minutes? Leaking private info, re security of notes? I have never used them (don't trust them to accurately capture what is important in a meeting vs just noting what's mentioned), but the concept seems very useful to me.

It's in the viewable text on the page.

> A trendy productivity hack, A.I. note takers are capturing every joke and offhand comment in many meetings. They could also potentially waive attorney-client privilege.

By now everyone knows that AI notes that aren't curated by a human will catch every silly thing that was said in the meeting while omitting the context of the tone or body language. Something as simple as "yeah, right" has vastly different meanings depending on how it was said. In a different context it's already been established that using AI breaks client attorney privilege [0] and this concern has been raised before by law firms [1][2] or the American Bar Association [3] (you can just hit escape before the paywall loads to see the full content). A judge will have to weigh in on this one too.

I don't know what's with the wave of paywalled articles that keep making it to the front page without any workaround included in the submission. Even when you coax the text out of the page source, they're not very insightful to begin with.

[0] https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/federal-court-rules-...

[1] https://www.smithlaw.com/newsroom/publications/the-silent-gu...

[2] https://natlawreview.com/article/when-ai-takes-notes-protect...

[3] https://www.americanbar.org/groups/gpsolo/resources/ereport/...

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by burningion »

The main point raised in the article is that these bots may void attorney client privileges.

But the real danger with these IMO is that they're turning casual conversations into a permanent record, and one that will be completely discoverable in court, should the company get into trouble later.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by coffeebeqn »

burningion wrote: post #6

The main point raised in the article is that these bots may void attorney client privileges. But the real danger with these IMO is that they're turning casual conversations into a permanent record, and one that will be completely discoverable in court, should the company get into trouble later.

Plus they are super inaccurate. Gemini gets one of its three bullet subtly or very majorly wrong almost every time. Just a few weeks ago Gemini said we’re rolling out our payment setup in Russia. You know the place where we have 20+ sanctions packages on? We were talking about France in the meeting.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by pjc50 »

close04 wrote: post #5
vintagedave wrote: post #2

Paywall: can anyone share what the issue is? Inaccuracy in meeting minutes? Leaking private info, re security of notes? I have never used them (don't trust them to accurately capture what is important in a meeting vs just noting what's mentioned), but the concept seems very useful to me.

It's in the viewable text on the page. > A trendy productivity hack, A.I. note takers are capturing every joke and offhand comment in many meetings. They could also potentially waive attorney-client privilege. By now everyone knows that AI notes that aren't curated by a human will catch every silly thing that was said in the meeting while omitting the context of the tone or body language. Something as simple as "yeah…

People opt in to the panopticon and then discover they have no more secrets. I'm surprised lawyers fall for that as well.

Re: A.I. note takers are making lawyers nervous

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Post by pjc50 »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #7
burningion wrote: post #6

The main point raised in the article is that these bots may void attorney client privileges. But the real danger with these IMO is that they're turning casual conversations into a permanent record, and one that will be completely discoverable in court, should the company get into trouble later.

Plus they are super inaccurate. Gemini gets one of its three bullet subtly or very majorly wrong almost every time. Just a few weeks ago Gemini said we’re rolling out our payment setup in Russia. You know the place where we have 20+ sanctions packages on? We were talking about France in the meeting.

Given how financial services can impose silent inexplicable lifetime bans for using the wrong words in the "what is this transaction for" field, I'm wondering at what point the AI automatically reports people for sanctions violation based on its mishearing.
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