Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
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Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#2By "control" Iran doesn't mean they will operate or maintain these cables. They mean "pay up, or we'll destroy these cables when we feel like it".
Modern day piracy.
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#3Yes what they want to do is to tax other countries for using what is currently international waters and tax free, because they are militarily able to do so. That creates the problem that if Iran is allowed to do this, other countries will do this too (Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait).
If that happens, a lot of countries will give very serious thought to attacking each other, not just in the middle east, and may decide they don't have a choice.
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#4That website makes my eyes hurt.
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#5Yes what they want to do is to tax other countries for using what is currently international waters and tax free, because they are militarily able to do so. That creates the problem that if Iran is allowed to do this, other countries will do this too (Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait). If that happens, a lot of countries will give very serious thought to attacking each other, not just in the middle east, and may…
nit: The strait of Hormuz is not considered international waters. It's split between Iranian and Omani territorial waters. The strait itself is classified as a "transit passage" under Articles 37–44 of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which guarantees ships the right of continuous and expeditious transit.
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#6Yes what they want to do is to tax other countries for using what is currently international waters and tax free, because they are militarily able to do so. That creates the problem that if Iran is allowed to do this, other countries will do this too (Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait). If that happens, a lot of countries will give very serious thought to attacking each other, not just in the middle east, and may…
nit: The strait of Hormuz is not considered international waters. It's split between Iranian and Omani territorial waters. The strait itself is classified as a "transit passage" under Articles 37–44 of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which guarantees ships the right of continuous and expeditious transit.
Iran has not ratified UNCLOS, and Oman has ratified it but then negated the implied right of transit passage in domestic law - they only recognise innocent passage.
So the Strait has no clear legal status.
In theory since Iran didn't ratify UNCLOS they can only claim 3nm of territorial water, but they claim 12nm anyhow.
The USA insists on the right of transit passage, but itself isn't even a signatory to UNCLOS so that's hypocritical and has no basis.
It's a mess that nobody wants to touch, so it's pretty much up for grabs by the most militant player.
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
nit: The strait of Hormuz is not considered international waters. It's split between Iranian and Omani territorial waters. The strait itself is classified as a "transit passage" under Articles 37–44 of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which guarantees ships the right of continuous and expeditious transit.
Iran has not ratified UNCLOS, and Oman has ratified it but then negated the implied right of transit passage in domestic law - they only recognise innocent passage. So the Strait has no clear legal status. In theory since Iran didn't ratify UNCLOS they can only claim 3nm of territorial water, but they claim 12nm anyhow. The USA insists on the right of transit passage, but itself isn't even a signatory to UNCLOS so th…
Very interesting, I wasn't aware of the full legal mess occurring at the strait.
I found this detailed article [0], written by a law student, which discusses the Hormuz strait situation in the context of the past century of maritime law.
[0] https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-strait-of-hormuz-an...
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#8Yes what they want to do is to tax other countries for using what is currently international waters and tax free, because they are militarily able to do so. That creates the problem that if Iran is allowed to do this, other countries will do this too (Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait). If that happens, a lot of countries will give very serious thought to attacking each other, not just in the middle east, and may…
> international waters
It's not international waters.
> if Iran is allowed to do this
They have sovereignty and they only ever mentioned doing this to pay for reparations after being attacked by two countries that have been allowed to routinely attack/exploit the Middle East and, in the case of one, carry out genocide.
As an aside, the war is largely seen as being waged for the sake of Israel, against US/world interests.
> Indonesia will tax the Malacca strait... a lot of countries... attacking each other
Pure fearmongering, in no way different from "think of the children and of the terrorists".
Re: Iran mulls taking control of all 7 cables passing through Strait of Hormuz
#9By "control" Iran doesn't mean they will operate or maintain these cables. They mean "pay up, or we'll destroy these cables when we feel like it". Modern day piracy.
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