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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by MBCook »

VonGallifrey wrote: post #250
MBCook wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who IS he, could you give a summary? I don’t recognize the name and for some reason the article never gives a single sentence of context just expecting you to know the same way things expect you to know who Trump or Taylor Swift is. I even watch a few 3D printer and maker YTers, but I guess not him.

His channel isn't really about 3D printing or maker projects, which is maybe why you have not heard of him. He has (or had, not sure) an electronics repair shop where he showed laptop and phone repairs on his channel. Recently he is one of the people who push right to repair regulations and consumer rights. Which is probably why he is interested in this case.

I don’t think I watch any channels like that so that certainly explains it. Thank you.

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Post by bsder »

MBCook wrote: post #205
bsder wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my eyes are on Prusa should I want another printer any time soon for any reason. Have Prusa finally fixed their engineering? Prusa basically sitting inert on the engineering front is what allowed Bambu to leapfrog them. Bambu made real engineering improvements: linear slides, servomotor for feed, accelerometer tuning, etc. Has Prusa finally decided to compete again? A lot of us are willing to give a company more mo…

Bambu won with relentless free giveaways to every YouTuber on the planet, cheap prices, and a consumer friendly looking design. I don’t think they earned it. I suspect there is a huge number of people out there who bought them who don’t even know what else exists. They saw a YouTuber advertise one on a video making something and decided to buy that.

> I don’t think they earned it.

1) The people around me who bought a Bambu P1S or P2S weren't swayed by marketing. Some of them even owned Prusa machines. They bought those Bambu printers because they had products they needed printed, and the Bambu got it done while the Prusa failed prints and made them dork around with things.

2) The A1 minis are cheap and look good to consumers; they also work remarkably reliably. Prusa doesn't have anything even remotely in the same class. That is squarely the fault of Prusa.

3) A lot of people who don't know any better can go to Best Buy and buy a Bambu in stock, off the shelf, with a return policy. Again, the fault lies squarely with Prusa.

4) The Bambu printers had fundamentally better components like linear slides and servo motors, for example. Again, fault to Prusa.

Prusa got caught with their pants down and refused to adjust for far too long. Bambu did genuine engineering while Prusa rested on its laurels.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by archargelod »

MBCook wrote: post #207
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

Who IS he, could you give a summary? I don’t recognize the name and for some reason the article never gives a single sentence of context just expecting you to know the same way things expect you to know who Trump or Taylor Swift is. I even watch a few 3D printer and maker YTers, but I guess not him.

Louis Rossman is right for repair activist and consumer rights advocate. He's an owner of a repair shop, that's mostly focused on fixing macbooks. On Youtube he started by posting repair tutorials, but then his content shifted from repair videos to macbook rants to him lobbying for right to repair law across many US states to covering general anti-consumer practices and offering money and support to people who fight against it.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by kiba »

wolvoleo wrote: post #182
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

Meh. I use bambu and I am a maker but it's not a big thing in my opinion. I bought a bambu precisely because I don't want to mod the thing with a gazillion custom upgrades like I needed to do with my previous printers to make them work reliably. I just want to press print and... print. Bambu totally delivers there. They really commoditised 3D printing and brought the price down. And if you do want to go off the beate…

Prusa does this perfectly fine. They're just more expensive.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by duxup »

jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

I was almost just like you I got some recommendations from HN, all of them were for Bambu.

I was lucky and they didn’t have any in stock when I wanted to buy…

Now I’m nervous about buying one from anyone.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by kiba »

offbynull wrote: post #246
tssva wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My daughter is an architecture student and needed a 3d printer to help with making models for her studio class. She had no desire to learn the ends and outs of 3d printers. She wanted something easy to use and reliable. The Bambu Labs printer I bought her has been just that.

> She had no desire to learn the ends and outs of 3d printers. She wanted something easy to use and reliable. The Bambu Labs printer I bought her has been just that. Where is this coming from? You absolutely need to know the ins and outs of a 3D printer. Nozzles wear out, build plates wear out, components need to be regularly cleaned properly and lubricated, you have to keep filaments dry, certain filaments can only…

The most common failure in my printing experience is just plain old dirty bed, especially when human hands interact with it. That takes operational discipline especially if you're printing lot of models over time.

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Post by faangguyindia »

darkteflon wrote: post #210
sottol wrote: post #84

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Once you have a reliable printer, the workflow is mostly to slice -> send to printer -> wait and check on it every couple of hours until it's done ime. Imo it no longer super matters how much better the on-screen ui or webcam are. Mutli-color though is where Bambu has a good leg up. (Diluted) Vision Miner Nano Polymer Adhesive and a good bed leveling probe has done a lot to make my printer set and forget, no matter w…

Can anyone in the commentariat recommend a great, locally available adhesive in Japan? Vision Miner is import-only and pricey. I’ve been using glue-sticks but am ready to level up as I’m moving away from PLA.

I've used thinned out real PVA glue (not polyurethane) for years.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by sho_hn »

duxup wrote: post #255
jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

I was almost just like you I got some recommendations from HN, all of them were for Bambu. I was lucky and they didn’t have any in stock when I wanted to buy… Now I’m nervous about buying one from anyone.

> I was almost just like you I got some recommendations from HN, all of them were for Bambu.

Bambu has spent a ton of dough on paid advertising via YouTube shills (it is absolutely rampant in that scene - I like the channel Maker's Muse as a notable exception, who also has some funny videos up where he reads emails from various vendors trying to bribe or intimidate him in various ways), and many in the HN crows were happy to parrot their talking points to justify their purchases. A winning marketing strategy.

To this day you end up encountering a lot of people who are under the impression Bambu printers somehow made 3D printing accessible or are the only ticket to a problem-free experience. And you know, the product might do that, the problem is the message that they're the only game in town, which has never been true and which they largely achieved on the back of work already done by others for them in software, designs and ecosystem development.

To contrast this: You often hear this about Apple, that they didn't necessarily invent the stuff, but they did the last-mile integration really well. It's incomparable. Apple did far more work on their products than Bambu ever did.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by GuB-42 »

dns_snek wrote: post #166
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

90% of his content is about advocating for consumer rights like ownership and repair, most of which is documented and sourced on his wiki [1]. If the only thing you see here is "drama and outrage" then you're not the target audience and you should return to mindless consumption until such a time that you find yourself affected. [1] https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Main_Page

It may be advocacy for a noble cause, but it is still drama and outrage. It is an effective technique used by politicians worldwide. If it works, I guess that's a positive, but that's not for me.

Lois Rossmann has always been ranting in his video, but originally he did so while repairing Macbooks. I actually learned a few tricks watching his videos. Now, he is just sitting down talking, adding drama and outrage to news stories relevant to what he advocates for.

I mean, we need people like him, like we need people like Richard Stallman, but I personally prefer more nuanced approaches.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by Ccecil »

rdiddly wrote: post #31

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5, why you would need to communicate with a cloud service to use a 3D printer?

I work with the Smoothieware project. The V1 Smoothieboard was one of the first (the first I am aware of) with an ethernet connection.

It was always stated by our devs that it should never be connected to anything but a local network. Why? Because you are supposed to be there running the printer...it is a fire hazard otherwise. People do run unattended, myself included, but it should not be advised or hyped as a "good idea".

The possibility of a hack was always there too. What could a malicious actor do with access to your machine?

The advice was not only ignored...but used as an advertising point to show how innovative they are.

Amazing how fast everyone forgot the time Bambu forced a firmware update which caused a large number of printers to begin printing uncommanded which in some cases caused damage due to completed prints still sitting on the bed. [1]

V2 Smoothieware has the ability to auto update firmware via network...but it is a command that requires the user to send.

At any rate...this matters to me little anymore. My printer is a decade old and going strong still. I have no desire to "purchase" any printer. I would just build another if needed.

The biggest lie sold by the marketers is that working on your printer is "lost time". Personally...I am glad I had the 2011 RepRap struggles. I would never give up my opensource hardware for a "cheaper" machine.

[1] I searched for old webpages on this...can't seem to find them anymore using google. It was a very well known issue in the 3d printing community at the time though.

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