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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by fc417fc802 »

bdcravens wrote: post #139
stavros wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. This doesn't change my view that Bambu is not open, and just does the bare minimum so people can't say it's completely closed.

For most people, it is definitely a closed ecosystem, similar to the iPhone. But they do give people the escape hatch if they're willing to take ownership of the software they run. (To be fair, they only enabled this after a lot of backlash)

Willing to take ownership, and also forgo a lot of functionality that the device was billed as having when it was purchased. Defending Bambu here seems like the same mentality as supporting a manufacturer that implements a subscription model for heated seats in their cars. (Don't worry, we're an ethical manufacturer so we don't charge a premium for access to heated seats. As long as you have our app on your phone (requires location permissions) you'll be able to make use of them!)

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by cromka »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

Imagine an attorney who represents clients for free, but does that semi-publicly on YouTube. This would also be a never-ending drama, wouldn't it?

What you described is an observational bias. His job is to bring this kind of anti-consumer shit to light. Hence, the drama.

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Post by vallassy »

darkteflon wrote: post #210
sottol wrote: post #84

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Once you have a reliable printer, the workflow is mostly to slice -> send to printer -> wait and check on it every couple of hours until it's done ime. Imo it no longer super matters how much better the on-screen ui or webcam are. Mutli-color though is where Bambu has a good leg up. (Diluted) Vision Miner Nano Polymer Adhesive and a good bed leveling probe has done a lot to make my printer set and forget, no matter w…

Can anyone in the commentariat recommend a great, locally available adhesive in Japan? Vision Miner is import-only and pricey. I’ve been using glue-sticks but am ready to level up as I’m moving away from PLA.

Depending on your level of DIY-ness and willingness to handle powders, you could make some Super Goop. I've heard good things about it but haven't yet had enough bed adhesion issues to make it yet.

https://github.com/MakerBogans/docs/wiki/Printer-goop

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Post by laweijfmvo »

MBCook wrote: post #205
bsder wrote: post #200

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> my eyes are on Prusa should I want another printer any time soon for any reason. Have Prusa finally fixed their engineering? Prusa basically sitting inert on the engineering front is what allowed Bambu to leapfrog them. Bambu made real engineering improvements: linear slides, servomotor for feed, accelerometer tuning, etc. Has Prusa finally decided to compete again? A lot of us are willing to give a company more mo…

Bambu won with relentless free giveaways to every YouTuber on the planet, cheap prices, and a consumer friendly looking design. I don’t think they earned it. I suspect there is a huge number of people out there who bought them who don’t even know what else exists. They saw a YouTuber advertise one on a video making something and decided to buy that.

Prusa is equally guilty there, I think. Every time I see a Youtuber receiving multiple free Prusa printers, while I continue to save and delay on the high price of getting one myself, I curse them a bit more.

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Post by Aurornis »

MBCook wrote: post #205
bsder wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> my eyes are on Prusa should I want another printer any time soon for any reason. Have Prusa finally fixed their engineering? Prusa basically sitting inert on the engineering front is what allowed Bambu to leapfrog them. Bambu made real engineering improvements: linear slides, servomotor for feed, accelerometer tuning, etc. Has Prusa finally decided to compete again? A lot of us are willing to give a company more mo…

Bambu won with relentless free giveaways to every YouTuber on the planet, cheap prices, and a consumer friendly looking design. I don’t think they earned it. I suspect there is a huge number of people out there who bought them who don’t even know what else exists. They saw a YouTuber advertise one on a video making something and decided to buy that.

I think you’re trying to rewrite history. The Bambu printers were really, really good for their price point when they came out. It wasn’t looks or giveaways. The printers were seriously much better hardware than what Prusa had at the time.

I was recommending Prusa to everyone who inquired about 3D printers for many years before Bambu launched, so I’m not unfamiliar with the market.

Trying to criticize Bambu for sending a lot of printers to YouTubers is ironic when Prusa has always done the same thing.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by superkuh »

gambiting wrote: post #53
rafram wrote: post #43

When was the last time Rossmann had anything nice to say? He seems utterly miserable. I don’t doubt this is an important issue, but when he inserts himself into a dispute, it only gets more overblown and vitriolic on all sides. (The ridiculous NYC to Austin thing is pretty representative. Complained incessantly about loony liberal New York, moved to Austin, now he complains about Texas. Sorry! Turns out there is no u…

He's just like Steve nowadays - he built his entire brand on being angry, so he has to be angry or his core audience will leave. And if that's what you like then fine, but for me it's just not interesting anymore.

...or, or(!) maybe things really do suck right now? I don't think this is a controversial view. There's reasons to be upset and demand change regarding intellectual property legislation and computing and related technology's hardware.

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Post by haswell »

stavros wrote: post #208
haswell wrote: post #162

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On the one hand, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying here. With that said, I don’t think it’s reasonable to describe setting up Tailscale as similar to “Linux server that runs 24/7 with OpenVPN and iptables”. Sure, you could go that route, but a Tailscale setup is extremely simple and lightweight. A raspberry pi is plenty if there isn’t already a system running 24/7. I personally have this set up on my router. I…

Given that you do need a machine that runs 24/7 to run Tailscale, I think it's very reasonable to describe it like that. Sure, maybe you can install it on your Windows machine, and figure out all the networking bits that will get it to talk to the printer, but for the average person that might as well be sorcery.

Have you set up Tailscale and have you set up OpenVPN from scratch? Because these two things are not alike. That’s why I’m pushing back a bit.

I find it difficult to imagine equating a raspberry pi in a closet with “running a server”. Is it technically a server? Sure. But it’s not as if we’re talking about running a power hungry rack.

Bottom line is: there are very cheap and simple/easy options for maintaining a private connection to your home stuff.

> and figure out all the networking bits that will get it to talk to the printer

With something like Tailscale this is already figured out. My mostly non technical brother does this without issues.

This is entirely separate from whether or not you should need to do so for Bambu printers, which again I agree the answer is ideally “no”.

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Post by miladyincontrol »

HowTheStoryEnds wrote: post #220
wolvoleo wrote: post #216

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I'm not being inconvenienced? And the open source community is open source precisely to drive the state of the art further. Having respect for other makers doesn't necessarily mean agreeing on everything. I'm just giving the other side of the story. If you wish to choose another brand you're free to do so of course. Not all my printers are bambu, in fact my latest one isn't either.

No, dude, open source and more specifically GPL is intended to keep things open and accessible to everyone and out of control of monopoly actors, not to drive state of the art. Can you agree on not stealing? That's the equivalent of what BL is doing.

What stealing? Their slicer code is in turn published back and made accessible, orcaslicer itself has merged a number of their changes and vice versa.

What you are complaining about is access to their proprietary, and optional cloud control functionality. I'd like for access to be open there too, but them trying to gate what apps can access to that isnt "stealing" from the open source community.

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Post by Aurornis »

antoniojtorres wrote: post #111
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

I have trouble understanding how the opinions of the historical right to repair guy are surprising or even considered drama, it’s not drama because it’s not interpersonal gossip, it’s right to repair activism.

The channel has been about a lot more than right to repair. He jumps on every tech controversy that will generate traffic, including wading into drama between other YouTube channels.

> it’s not drama because it’s not interpersonal gossip, it’s right to repair activism.

He has definitely engaged in dramas that have nothing to do with right to repair activism, including weighing in on dramas between other tech YouTubers.

He hit a niche with right to repair and has produced a lot of content about it, but he has also ranted about a lot of completely unrelated topics. Does nobody remember his old videos rambling about women and gender topics, for example? This is going way back, so possibly before many new converts were introduced to his channel.

His channel has definitely not only been right to repair.

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Post by easterncalculus »

james_pm wrote: post #100
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

Right up there with the Not Just Bikes guy on YouTube who used to talk about how transit-oriented cities are great or would show some positive stuff from somewhere. Now it's just endless videos about how cars suck, cities suck, even a lot of transit sucks. The constant negativity is such a put-off.

The difference is that the Not Just Bikes guy is actually doing what the parent commenter is claiming Louis (only) does and Louis in reality does a lot more than that like what's in TFA.

Not Just Bikes makes reddit posts for redditors in YouTube form, basically. Louis actually supports people and projects. There's no 'schtick', consumer repair is core to his business and his channel.

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