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Incident Report: CVE-2024-YIKES

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Maintainer uses AI to find Yubikey's site. Hacker uses AI to research countries without extradition to US. Cops use AI to analyze ransom note. Unfortunately, because the note confidently states that Vietnam has no extradition to the US, the AI recommends paying ransom. Vietnam's currency, the Dong, confused the AI..

AI rejects all currency exchange transactions to Dong because of a hardcoded system prompt resulting in an overly rigid Scunthorpe problem.

Re: Incident Report: CVE-2024-YIKES

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In any case, not really a hacker's creed. This has always been withinin the realm of corporations, especially Silicon Valley or adjacent.

MFABT is about survival. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Sir, this is not /r/linkedinlunatics/

Re: Incident Report: CVE-2024-YIKES

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'The changelog reads “performance improvements.”' was the truest part for me. Surely what we're releasing is the most fundamental thing to understand, yet almost every single app update I see is this or something jokey that really means "don't know" or "don't care"

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According to Pangram, this is likely AI generated, surprised that no one has pointed this out

Not a chance. Far too funny, too well written, too terse while being densely packed with wit. I see zero signs of it being LLM-generated and lots of stuff LLMs have no way of doing. If I am somehow wrong I would salivate at a chance to see the input.

You don't even need to read past the first timeline entry. The name "Marcus Chen" is literally a meme within AI creative writing circles due to how often Claude defaults to that exact name when naming fictional characters.

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It's easy to be cynical because, yes, both the problems and solutions seem dead obvious in hindsight. But for a long time (and maybe even still), a hacker creed was "move fast and break things." It's great that there's so much momentum in fixing the glaring problems with supply chain systems like npm, but I'm concerned that we're entering a new era of security-related problems caused in large part by agentic developm…

> But for a long time (and maybe even still), a hacker creed was "move fast and break things." Was it? I thought Zuckerberg coined this horrible phrase.

Joel Spolsky.

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-...

Re: Incident Report: CVE-2024-YIKES

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Why? Honest question. Commons, Guava, Spring, and more seem to take this approach successfully (as in, the drawbacks are outweighed by the benefits in convenience, quality, and security) in Java. Are benefits in binary size really worth that complexity? And before someone says “just have a better standard library”, think about why that is considered a solution here. Languages with a large and capable standard library…

You will have lots of dead code in your build. That dead code might have "dead dependencies" - transitive dependencies of its own, that it pulls in even though they are not actually used in the parts of the crate you care about. In the worst case, you can also have "undead code" - event handlers, hooks, background workers etc that the framework automatically registers and runs and that will do something at runtime, w…

Libraries like Guava and Commons don't have transitive dependencies - they are self contained except for other parts of the same library.

Re: Incident Report: CVE-2024-YIKES

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many small crates published by large, trustworthy projects are fine and preferable to one large crate that "does everything".

Why? Honest question. Commons, Guava, Spring, and more seem to take this approach successfully (as in, the drawbacks are outweighed by the benefits in convenience, quality, and security) in Java. Are benefits in binary size really worth that complexity? And before someone says “just have a better standard library”, think about why that is considered a solution here. Languages with a large and capable standard library…

Why? It's the essence of "Simple Made Easy": you don't have other code to complect with. You have a smaller interface, focused on a singular goal. When a library has to work as a standalone project, it can't be accidentally entangled with other components of a larger project.

Smaller implementations are also easier to review against malware, because there are fewer places to hide. You don't have to guess how a component may interact with all the other parts of a large framework, because there aren't any.

There are also practical Rust-specific concerns. Fine-grained code reuse helps with compile times (a smaller component can be reused in more projects, and more crates increase build parallelism).

It makes testing easier. Rust doesn't have enough dynamic monkey-patching for mocking of objects, so testing of code buried deep in a monolith is tricky. Splitting code into small libraries surfaces interfaces that are easily testable in isolation.

It helps with semver. A semver-major upgrade of one large library that everyone uses requires everyone to upgrade the whole thing at the same time, which can stall like the Python 2-to-3 transition. Splitting a monolith into smaller components allows versioning them separately, so the stable parts stay stable, and the churning parts affect smaller subsets of users.

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