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Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by gumby271 »

furyofantares wrote: post #211
gumby271 wrote: post #123

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I've run into a similar thing where I'll be cc'd on support tickets with one of our customer support agents and they'll then reply to me with what is clearly an ai summary of the single email from the customer that I can already read. I do think they're trying to be helpful, but it's hard to not feel like they think I'm a child or an idiot. Back in the day we agreed that Googling something for someone was rude (letme…

letmegooglethatforyou.com was to let someone know that not searching for themselves is rude - it was not because it was rude to search for someone else (it wasn't and isn't)

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Post by cactacea »

erentz wrote: post #210
Havoc wrote: post #8

I think there is a bit of wider social norms piece missing as well on AI use in knowledge work context. Someone forwarded an enormous amount of text over teams the other day at work. From someone (bless her) that always means well but usually averages about one spelling mistake per word and rarely goes over 20 words per message. Clearly copy paste chatgpt. For say hn gang that thinks in terms of context shifts, infor…

Seems AI has made it cheap to produce information but now you have to spend more time parsing the information. And it’s now the less competent/useful people spending less time producing more information with the more useful people spending more of their valuable time parsing that information. This is why I’m skeptical of LLMs ever becoming a net benefit in most organizations.

That is pretty much my existence at $MAJOR_TECH_COMPANY now. Inexperienced security engineers running bots against my codebase and sending me pages long tickets with their "findings". There might be a couple of interesting nuggets here and there but by and large the reports are just noise. This churn is actively taking away from my ability to actually respond to customer-impacting issues because "security is always our top priority".

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Post by Forgeties79 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #253
Forgeties79 wrote: post #203

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>sigh, I stopped reading. No point in engaging this if that’s how you’re kicking things off.

"Sigh" is indeed a thought-terminating cliche. So is "Common sense."

“Sigh” is “I don’t respect you and will now talk down to you.”

“Common sense” at least invites the question, “what do you consider common sense solutions?” and if I were to balk at that then clearly I’m not discussing the topic in good faith.

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Post by pinkgolem »

mkl wrote: post #350
pinkgolem wrote: post #268

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I mean, i struggle with spelling/wording and ask the LLM to proofread a lot. I often send out the LLM version, but still check if it contains the original thoughts correctly. It's not a bad way to extend your vocabulary & catch spelling mistakes

You don't need a fake extended vocabulary. Just communicate directly and honestly. Underlining spelling errors as you type has been a standard feature of email software for nearly three decades.

Nah man, it has been career limiting before and I have gotten bad feedback for it my whole life...

I keep the LLM close to the original text content wise, but feedback was/is fantastic

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Post by financetechbro »

chistev wrote: post #461
hnfong wrote: post #447

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Come on, we all know why they work there... "I only work here because I like money and Meta pays more than $(INSERT_OTHER_FAANG)"

I've heard the rebuttal that it's not necessarily that, but that getting jobs if they quit the one they already have is hard. So they stay. Check out this Ask HN thread for example about how bad the Job Market is - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47988268

I think the broader issue is that Meta has been evil for pretty much all of history so you can’t rationalize remaining employed there as simply a factor of the current job market (ofc this primarily applies to more tenured Meta employees)

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Post by anon84873628 »

rurp wrote: post #504
anon84873628 wrote: post #500

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That's like saying I should just send the English teacher a description of what my essay will be about, instead of actually writing it. It seems like no one responding to this understands scoped context retrieval.

Professional communication has a completely different goal than a student essay, and it's weird you conflate the two. A student paper is useless as an artifact, the actual value is for the student to learn how to write the paper. If a coworker sends me a long email for me to read it should provide some actual value.

I'm arguing against people who essentially say that running the LLM is useless; just send the prompt.. Obviously that is true if the person does zero additional value add, but then that person probably sucked as a colleague before LLMs anyway. When you use an LLM agent correctly you are adding value beyond just the prompt, and those three additional paragraphs won't just be extra noise. Especially if the agent is automatically fed your personal context.

An essay states a hypothesis and then uses first and second party sources to validate it. I'm not conflating anything, it's just a good abstract example of the type of knowledge synthesis work, which is why we make kids do them.

A business strategy proposal is nothing more than a specific type of essay where the research sources are internal research results, market trend analysis, etc.

A technical design doc is an essay about the best way to implement a feature.

An "executive summary" is just an abstract, and the MBR puts the latest research citations and raw results in bullet points.

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Post by chistev »

financetechbro wrote: post #517
chistev wrote: post #461

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I've heard the rebuttal that it's not necessarily that, but that getting jobs if they quit the one they already have is hard. So they stay. Check out this Ask HN thread for example about how bad the Job Market is - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47988268

I think the broader issue is that Meta has been evil for pretty much all of history so you can’t rationalize remaining employed there as simply a factor of the current job market (ofc this primarily applies to more tenured Meta employees)

Fair point.

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Post by Sh0000reZ »

Sh0000reZ wrote: post #407
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #403

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Most Meta employees do not support invasive features without opt outs in their products. Some try to argue against it. But ultimately there is only person who gets to decide. You might as well blame the entire US population for certain problematic actions of the president.

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What? I thought this forum was all about technical correctness.

It's technically correct you all have no assurances your assets continue to hold value and you won't end up homeless. Lol

Censorship of truth!

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