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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by eduction »

ninjin wrote: post #125
Aurornis wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> somebody else sent her a package with something illegal in it that she didn't ask for. > She also mentioned it was "the most normal type of thing you can think of"; This doesn't really answer the question, though. It's frustrating to try to interpret these stories with a lot of writing and video describing everything except the crucial detail about what the charges were for. I don't think she's trying to withhold i…

> It's frustrating to try to interpret these stories with a lot of writing and video describing everything except the crucial detail about what the charges were for. Is it really a crucial detail though? As someone having lived in Japan for a long time, I see no reason why we can not discuss the fact that civil rights and detention treatment in Japan are lacking without resorting to "Do they deserve it in light of wh…

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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #148
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #140

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Even granting that (which... no. How is it true? Any evidence?) it's still less inhumane than what Japan is doing here. The conditions amount to torture. The fact that many people opt to falsely plead guilty and get a reduced punishment in a society that highly values honor and saving face should say a lot about it.

Californian spend on homelessness is public info, you’re free to search it yourself. There is something about seeing drug addicted zombies impossibly contorted in on themselves and swaying in the wind that appears very inhuman to me. If given the choice, pre zombification, of a false confession or life as a zombie I know which I would chose.

That's a false binary. European nations manage without either of them for example.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by jesterson »

xyzelement wrote: post #8
HPMOR wrote: post #5

Holy shit this is horrible. It really shows the true cost of having a disciplined public society. People love to hate on SF, and the homelessness. But I think it’s a society that prioritizes individual freedom which allows for both this outcome and the entrepreneurial environment we see.

You are not supposed to be in jail, and you are not supposed to enjoy it if you are. It makes sense to optimize society for law obiding people.

Wait until you will be thrown in jail and tortured for nothing. I have seen frw individuals like you who think "oh I obey the lay so this wouldn't happen to me".

They change their mind oh so quickly after

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

hackyhacky wrote: post #144
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virtues you mention are not a consequence of the tortuous treatment described in the post though. Conditions could rise to Western humane standards and the underlying Japanese culture that allows for such peaceful living would still remain.

You can't take the Japanese criminal justice system out of Japan. It's part of a larger whole. The Western mentality, especially in the USA, focuses on independent will. The government is not supposed to stop people from making choices that are bad for society or bad for themselves. In Japan, the mentality is that every person has an obligation to work with society and to fit in at all costs. The Japanese criminal ju…

Could you tell me how actual torture helps that system, and why exactly you can't take it away without disrupting the harmony?

It is definitely possible to hold people in detention without torturing them while also getting acceptable results.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by Rendello »

g-b-r wrote: post #110

I mostly love Japan, but this is it, I can't risk something like this. The conviction rate was already terrifying, but this probably nails the coffin. And this in a country where the yakuza is a sanctioned part of the society?

The Yakuza seems to have a similar story as the American Mafia. Both have long histories, are favourite subjects of films and media, and both had a decline that sharpened in the 90s. A large part of that has been increasingly tight anti-Yakuza laws and ordinances. The whole "Law enforcement and indirect enforcement" section on Wikipedia is an interesting read, I linked part of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#Current_situation

I do agree with the justice/prison system being incredibly scary, though!

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by fzeroracer »

Aurornis wrote: post #130
ninjin wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's frustrating to try to interpret these stories with a lot of writing and video describing everything except the crucial detail about what the charges were for. Is it really a crucial detail though? As someone having lived in Japan for a long time, I see no reason why we can not discuss the fact that civil rights and detention treatment in Japan are lacking without resorting to "Do they deserve it in light of wh…

> Is it really a crucial detail though? Literally the central trigger point of the story. > For the record, I have not watched any video or read anything else about this individual. Nor do I intend to. Then I can see why you're not interested in the details

Is it a crucial detail? Can you explain why you need to know what she was arrested for, given that she says the charges were dropped?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by momentmaker »

This sounds like a monk-styled meditation retreat where one just get fed and can just keep doing meditation all day alone.

Sounds a heaven for someone who is ready for it but hell for those whose thoughts run amok.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by kelnos »

metacritic12 wrote: post #14

Seems like it's not pleasant, and the author says in theory it could be as low of a bar as getting into a heated argument; but the author never discloses his actual charge, which I think is critical context. If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different than if he had a loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. That he doesn't go on to protest why he got locked…

It doesn't matter what her charge was. Even (alleged/suspected) serial murderers and rapists should be treated humanely and not experience psychological torture.

And also remember this treatment is at the point where they haven't been charged with anything, haven't been tried in court, and haven't been convicted.

The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. And it's designed for one thing: high conviction rates, regardless of guilt or innocence.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by tptacek »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #75
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #52

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The thing is, this is pretty standard treatment over in Japan. As the blog poster says, the charge against them was ultimately dropped, but not before they were held for over 30 days. The 23 day timer on charges is, as they said, something that is often exploited by the police; they can add charges later to reset the clock. While this is going on, you're often pressured to sign a confession. You may get offered a com…

Same in the USA. This is what “prosecutor deals” are for: plead guilty and we’ll let you off with a year in jail, make us hold a trial and the judge will give you ten years.

It is not in fact the same in the USA. You cannot be held indefinitely without a judicial hearing and without access to a lawyer in the US. You can in Japan, and in fact that's the norm.
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