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Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

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Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#131
Due to the delays in ID verification the author of the article didn't even get to the point of the super annoying 'notarization' process where you can't just sign with your key anymore (as you could a few versions ago) but you also have to upload a copy of everything to Apple and 'staple' their ok to it.

At least I don't think they got to it, they only mention signing but not notarization.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#132

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Making it take some pain for developers is precisely what makes it valuable. If you could automate signing up for a developer account and didn’t have to put up some cash it would lose all value as a trust signal.

The cash part is not even the worst, even if this is obviously ridiculous for free/open source projects. The bad UX is really what irks me. Enough that I may entirely opt-out of the Apple ecosystem forever, and I don't think I am the only one feeling that way.

I also did. I got sick of not owning my own computer and phone anymore. And also the locked-down nature. Every release they change stuff that I sometimes don't like and there's no options to switch things. Opinionated design. I was pretty aligned with apple's vision in macOS tiger but around Maverick/Sierra things started getting too misaligned with my own needs.

I'm so happy I moved to KDE which has options for everything. It was a breath of fresh air when I moved and it still is, every day.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

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Rather than just having the options "Done" and "Move to Bin", give me an option to actually run it without having to manually go into System Settings each and every time without disabling security features? The added friction feels more like a way to force developers to pay Apple an annual fee for distributing rather than for my safety. Not saying it doesn't help with safety, just that it's more weighed to the former…

> without disabling security features? With Gatekeeper turned off, you’ll still get a warning on first launch which you can easily click through. (Unless Apple changed something in the last few versions—let me know if that’s the case—but it would be out of character for them to remove a warning...) The “security feature” you don’t want to disable is precisely the thing you are complaining about, so I don’t understand…

> I don’t imagine Apple makes a substantial amount of money from $99/year developer subscriptions. The App Store is another story of course.

It has a chilling effect on releasing free apps.

It's going to be an interesting time soon, when even your dog will have a vibecoded app he'll want you to use.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#134

Apple's not making any money on developer subscriptions. I suspect they just want to have a velvet rope, to encourage folks to be serious about their work. They don't want farting-around toys. They want developers to ship serious apps. There'$ a rea$on that $o many people want to relea$e Apple app$. A $uperb rea$on. It's a really lucrative market. People like to have access to customers that are used to paying a lot.…

> They don't want farting-around toys. They want developers to ship serious apps.

What users want to install on their own computer is none of apple's business though.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#135
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> Apple's not making any money on developer subscriptions. I think we're going to find out in a couple weeks, as Apple will be in court arguing over a reasonable commission to charge developers for using third party payments and their costs and developer subscription revenue are likely to come under a magnifying glass. > millions of people have no issue with I think that's a false dichotomy, consumers are not choosin…

> I think that's a false dichotomy If I had been positing it as a developer issue, then that would be true. However, I was talking about the customer experience , not the developer one. There's no question at all. People pay a premium, and have no issues with the walled garden. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't like it, either. I may not be wrong in my rancor, and they mig…

> However, I was talking about the customer experience, not the developer one. There's no question at all. People pay a premium, and have no issues with the walled garden.

You can't even conclude that since lots of customers are actually suing them for excessive fees, Apple already lost that battle in the UK and are facing the return of billions in IAP fees, they are facing another in NL for nearly €800 million where they are certain to lose because they were ordered to allow third party payments and ignored the court, they are facing a class action in the US that actually predates their injunction ordering them to allow third party payments and their contempt for disobeying.

I don't think people will "pay the premium" when Apple has to allow apps like YouTube to offer a $19/month plan alongside a $25/month plan for exactly the same thing. They have fought this entire decade to prevent that choice and argued it will cost them billions.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#136

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Yes, Windows is terrible, too. The entire desktop software world has lost its collective mind and the platforms are turning themselves into locked down game consoles just so that grandma doesn't accidentally install malware.

They might be trying to appease Google who now won't let you pass a recaptcha on windows because windows isn't locked down enough, and force you to scan a code with your Google phone instead.

No. Windows code signing was harder and more expensive since years.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#137

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Yes, Windows is terrible, too. The entire desktop software world has lost its collective mind and the platforms are turning themselves into locked down game consoles just so that grandma doesn't accidentally install malware.

> just so that grandma doesn't accidentally install malware That's the stated reason. The actual reason is that they are salivating at the sight of how much money the app store and play store are making. They just don't want to move too quickly for fear of customers revolting.

Really stupid on their part. There was a town with a baker and an auto mechanic. The baker saw how much money the auto mechanic was making, so he sold his bakery and went homeless because he had no car repair skills.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#138
it’s as if apple forgets that some of it’s user base are people who scrap together money over long periods of time just to have a chance at affording a mac only to be told they need $99 to distribute an app. your entire user base isn’t 100% affluent people and apple doesn’t seem to grasp this

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#139

Any user who does not like Gatekeeper can turn it off on their machine in ten seconds by running this in a Terminal: sudo spctl —-master-disable People will say, no, that’s too big a hammer, it’s not safe… but then, like, what do you actually want? Either you keep Gatekeeper because you like the friction it introduces, or you don’t like that friction and you should go turn it off. Pick one, you obviously can’t have b…

Rather than just having the options "Done" and "Move to Bin", give me an option to actually run it without having to manually go into System Settings each and every time without disabling security features? The added friction feels more like a way to force developers to pay Apple an annual fee for distributing rather than for my safety. Not saying it doesn't help with safety, just that it's more weighed to the former…

I remember you used to be able to right-click and then press open instead of double-clicking which would bypass gatekeeper just for that run. Not sure if it still exists though, I don't have any unsigned apps handy to test.

Re: Distributing Mac software is increasing my cortisol levels

#140
post #135

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> I think that's a false dichotomy If I had been positing it as a developer issue, then that would be true. However, I was talking about the customer experience , not the developer one. There's no question at all. People pay a premium, and have no issues with the walled garden. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't like it, either. I may not be wrong in my rancor, and they mig…

> However, I was talking about the customer experience, not the developer one. There's no question at all. People pay a premium, and have no issues with the walled garden. You can't even conclude that since lots of customers are actually suing them for excessive fees, Apple already lost that battle in the UK and are facing the return of billions in IAP fees, they are facing another in NL for nearly €800 million where…

Eh. Whatevs. I should have known better than to respond.

You have my apologies.

Have a great day!

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