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Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by hellcow »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #2

This article incorrectly implies that Telegram is end-to-end encrypted, by putting it in the same line as WhatsApp and Signal. Telegram doesn't even try to be end-to-end-encrypted by default. WhatsApp claims to be end-to-end-encrypted, but it's not open-source, Signal is end-to-end-encrypted.

> WhatsApp claims to be end-to-end-encrypted, but it's not open-source

And explicitly does not encrypt metadata.

Meanwhile NSA top brass publicly stated, "We kill people based on metadata."

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by palata »

userbinator wrote: post #10
tensor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These sorts of laws have repeatedly failed to pass in Europe due to people protesting. The government just keeps coming back and trying again it seems. What makes you think French citizens don’t care?

Maybe it's time for France to reconsider its relationship with the EU.

The French people typically elect far-right politicians to represent them at the EU level, so...

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by userbinator »

palata wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's time for France to reconsider its relationship with the EU.

The French people typically elect far-right politicians to represent them at the EU level, so...

It's not about left or right, but up and down.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by uriahlight »

"The excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case with freedom, which in a democracy often descends into anarchy... The excessive liberty of the individual in a democracy eventually leads to a desire for authoritarian rule, and out of that desire, the tyrant arises." - Plato's Republic

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by 0dayz »

userbinator wrote: post #10
tensor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These sorts of laws have repeatedly failed to pass in Europe due to people protesting. The government just keeps coming back and trying again it seems. What makes you think French citizens don’t care?

Maybe it's time for France to reconsider its relationship with the EU.

This is France pushing this onto themselves?

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by 0dayz »

userbinator wrote: post #15
palata wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The French people typically elect far-right politicians to represent them at the EU level, so...

It's not about left or right, but up and down.

That makes little sense if you know some basic political science, the EU is comprised of different political interest groups just like your country is.

Unless you literally belive everyone in the EU belive the exact same thing and there's zero disagreements what do ever.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

#19

Post by 2ndorderthought »

hellcow wrote: post #11
heinrich5991 wrote: post #2

This article incorrectly implies that Telegram is end-to-end encrypted, by putting it in the same line as WhatsApp and Signal. Telegram doesn't even try to be end-to-end-encrypted by default. WhatsApp claims to be end-to-end-encrypted, but it's not open-source, Signal is end-to-end-encrypted.

> WhatsApp claims to be end-to-end-encrypted, but it's not open-source And explicitly does not encrypt metadata. Meanwhile NSA top brass publicly stated, "We kill people based on metadata."

I imagine in 2027 people will be getting killed over vibes.

Does make you wonder what kind of people they kill or how many. I can't think of a lot of crimes whose metadata warrants being killed for personally.

Re: France moves to break encrypted messaging

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Post by EGreg »

One of many simultaneous attempts all around the world:

https://community.qbix.com/t/the-global-war-on-end-to-end-en...

And by the way, this article mentions other things already in place, such as being able to commandeer your device and spy on it without breaking encryption:

https://community.qbix.com/t/increasing-state-of-surveillanc...

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