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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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> The arrogance of American tourists is truly boundless. How dare Japanese people not speak English! Who do they think they are? This attitude is so unbelievably prevalent among native English speakers. "Obviously everyone should speak *my* language -- why should I ever have to learn another one?"

One would think "not being able to speak anything but Japanese" would be a problem for anyone not speaking Japanese, not just English speakers specifically, so this framing is more than a bit ironic, don't you think? Seriously, what is so baffling about expecting an interpreter to be provided? Even if you do "speak" the language, this is not some everyday environment, and evidently not a good-faith one either. If I g…

An interpreter is in fact provided for important communications, but it's a given that there's not going to be interpreters on-hand for every foreign prisoner 24/7. I think most people would simply accept that a language barrier is a normal fact of life of being arrested in a foreign country. The expectation of not needing to speak a foreign language in a foreign country seems to be a uniquely English one, and it manifests in other ways. There are many people who come to Japan to teach English without understanding a word of Japanese, and then complain about the difficulty of life, how restaraunt staff won't speak English or provide an English menu for them, how this and that are not provided for in English. They don't attempt to learn Japanese even after teaching for 5+ years, and yet criticise Japan for not catering to their needs. The sense of entitlement gets nauseating after you've witnessed it enough.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Pro Tip: When visiting Japan, dress and comport yourself so you don't look like you should be thrown in jail, and it will happen a lot less often. As a Mexican friend puts it for Mexico: Dress as the police should believe you.

I wonder if that's possible in Japan for a black person

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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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> In the US, barring flight risks and past history or cases of real malice or violence or an ongoing threat, you can at least typically make bail The literal majority of people in US jails are there not because they have been convicted of anything but because they were given a bail amount they couldn’t afford to pay, which is a deliberate strategy by the courts when there is no justification to refuse bail. This can…

> We assume that many of them are innocent because when someone pays their bail, more than 50% of cases are simply dismissed as soon as they leave jail. This sounds like a very dubious assumption.

Perhaps it is, but it explains the data. What is your alternative explanation?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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I agree that that comment was bad and I've asked the commenter not to post like that. But can you please also not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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One would think "not being able to speak anything but Japanese" would be a problem for anyone not speaking Japanese, not just English speakers specifically, so this framing is more than a bit ironic, don't you think? Seriously, what is so baffling about expecting an interpreter to be provided? Even if you do "speak" the language, this is not some everyday environment, and evidently not a good-faith one either. If I g…

An interpreter is in fact provided for important communications, but it's a given that there's not going to be interpreters on-hand for every foreign prisoner 24/7. I think most people would simply accept that a language barrier is a normal fact of life of being arrested in a foreign country. The expectation of not needing to speak a foreign language in a foreign country seems to be a uniquely English one, and it man…

So the claim was misleading, and they do in fact provide the interpreters that are entitled to wish for?

I guess I see what you mean, but I feel there would have been a way to express this all better.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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In the US, it's seen as a God-given truth that no innocent person should ever be punished. Partly because it was founded (in part) by oppressed minorities fleeing states where the were constantly harassed by authorities. (Irony - the US's approach hardly fixed the issue). But is it OK to risk punishing a few innocent people if it greatly reduces the amount of suffering caused by crime?

> Partly because it was founded (in part) by oppressed minorities fleeing states where the were constantly harassed by authorities Nah, it's a principle that was brought in from English common law. E.g Blackstone's Ratio[0] was published at roughly the same time as the American revolution was playing out, and cited plenty of earlier formulations of the same principle. Habeas Corpus was codified in the Magna Carta, bu…

This was on the tail of sectarian conflicts (e.g. Cromwell) in the UK, and people fleeing them to the US.

You're right than I'm oversimplifying it, and being very US centric.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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> We assume that many of them are innocent because when someone pays their bail, more than 50% of cases are simply dismissed as soon as they leave jail. This sounds like a very dubious assumption.

Perhaps it is, but it explains the data. What is your alternative explanation?

The legal system doesn't have the resources to move forward with the case and decides it isn't a priority. I've seen this happen many times with people I know committing violent felonies.

Even for smaller examples it happens all the time. Half the time you can completely get out of traffic tickets by showing up to court to plead not guilty. They dismiss the case because it's not worth the time.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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I mostly love Japan, but this is it, I can't risk something like this.

The conviction rate was already terrifying, but this probably nails the coffin.

And this in a country where the yakuza is a sanctioned part of the society?

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