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Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by cbdevidal »

miki123211 wrote: post #68

IA needs to do what Usenet has done. Have a bunch of mission-aligned but unrelated orgs (under different ownership and distributed around the world) that peer with each other, distribute all the content obtained by any of the orgs to each other, but that have no technical channel nor capability to distribute DMCA complaints and takedown requests. This is (AFAIK) basically how Usenet piracy works. You send your warez…

I like it in theory but the IA hosts over 175PB of data. Wonder how many other producers could replicate that data.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by colinmegill »

moontear wrote: post #78
colinmegill wrote: post #60

If you are running that thing, and reading this post: just do the right thing and get your own name.

Uhm... https://blog.archive.org/2026/05/06/internet-archive-switzer...

I guess I stand corrected, but I maintain it was word salad :)

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by userbinator »

damnitbuilds wrote: post #2

"Its efforts will initially focus on [...] and collecting the generative AI wave that is currently upon us all." Why would they want to collect the AI wave ?! But about time the Internet Archive had a US-independent backup.

There are some real gems in the sea of slop; and as archivists and historians, they shouldn't moderate.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by mafuy »

LocalH wrote: post #79
y3ahd0g wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they should use bit torrent. IMO personal security would only be improved if we diversified away from "the open web". "Flood the field" with protocols and pre-shared key networks where we have to generate keys together in meat space, make it too expensive to operate the panopticon. Everyone putting their eggs in the open web basket, gathering in that public commons means all it takes is one bomb on us all, so to s…

BitTorrent allows untrusted users (read: industry plants) to connect and slurp down direct IP addresses to swarm participants. It's an unanswered legal question whether low-level uploading (such as the percentages one would get as a "leech", connecting to the torrent and then disconnecting immediately after completion) might fall under "fair use" or "fair dealing" statutes in various jurisdictions. US-centric here: I…

In Germany at least, uploading even a single byte of content is illegal. We don't really have Fair Use here; there are only few, very narrow exceptions.

It is also not even required to show that that single byte was uploaded, your IP getting logged as part of the swarm suffices. The burden of proof is on you now. It was much, much worse than in the US.

While all this is technically still true today, a new law a few years ago luckily mostly blocked the path. It was badly needed, because the situation was horribly abused by law firms.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by zbentley »

tylerchilds wrote: post #46
arjie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the problem lends itself well to decentralization. People have tried to use IPFS et al for this. There were even IA attempts https://github.com/internetarchive/dweb-gateway No one has cracked this one yet.

It has been cracked. The internet itself is the thing we want. We’re just constantly in denial that the internet actually does the thing we want it to do. The internet archive is an excellent demonstration of how to do it. It’s primarily getting a ragtag group to pool resources and manage them and then gossip with other groups that are doing the same thing. I’ve spent so much time around the archive that I plainly se…

That's not what is meant by "decentralization".

None of those things help with the problem of centralization. Centralization isn't limited to moneymaking enterprises, or the modern internet. A centralized server operated by donations for free can just as easily go down, be seized by law enforcement, have its domain or internet service taken offline by government action, and so on.

The internet is not the thing we want (or not sufficient alone), because the internet's resources, and the communication systems between them, are largely centralized.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by dang »

trvz wrote: post #14
springtimesun wrote: post #9

Ah, good, they are also mirroring the page load speed of the internet archive

Typical for something made in St. Gallen. A sensible web developer from Zurich interested in the topic would have created this website in just a single HTML and an optional CSS file.

Normally we'd reply with "please don't do regional flamewar on HN" but this sounds so good-humored to me that I've canceled the (no doubt well-intentioned) downvotes instead.

Edit: now someone is going to tell me how mean internecine Swiss conflict actually is...

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

#98

Post by simondotau »

mafuy wrote: post #94
LocalH wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitTorrent allows untrusted users (read: industry plants) to connect and slurp down direct IP addresses to swarm participants. It's an unanswered legal question whether low-level uploading (such as the percentages one would get as a "leech", connecting to the torrent and then disconnecting immediately after completion) might fall under "fair use" or "fair dealing" statutes in various jurisdictions. US-centric here: I…

In Germany at least, uploading even a single byte of content is illegal. We don't really have Fair Use here; there are only few, very narrow exceptions. It is also not even required to show that that single byte was uploaded, your IP getting logged as part of the swarm suffices. The burden of proof is on you now. It was much, much worse than in the US. While all this is technically still true today, a new law a few y…

> even a single byte of content is illegal

  10010110
Watch out die Deutschen, that’s the first byte of Super Mario Bros.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by defrost »

mafuy wrote: post #94
LocalH wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitTorrent allows untrusted users (read: industry plants) to connect and slurp down direct IP addresses to swarm participants. It's an unanswered legal question whether low-level uploading (such as the percentages one would get as a "leech", connecting to the torrent and then disconnecting immediately after completion) might fall under "fair use" or "fair dealing" statutes in various jurisdictions. US-centric here: I…

In Germany at least, uploading even a single byte of content is illegal. We don't really have Fair Use here; there are only few, very narrow exceptions. It is also not even required to show that that single byte was uploaded, your IP getting logged as part of the swarm suffices. The burden of proof is on you now. It was much, much worse than in the US. While all this is technically still true today, a new law a few y…

In Australia it was determined that an ISP bears no responsibly to respond to allegations of copyright infringement by ISP users.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadshow_Films_Pty_Ltd_v_iiNet...

Of course Telco's can choose to be involved, perhaps accept payment to lookup and snitch, etc. but for the most part a number of ISPs in Au just wash their hands of devoting resources to play connect the dots for others.

Re: Internet Archive Switzerland

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Post by cortesoft »

mafuy wrote: post #94
LocalH wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitTorrent allows untrusted users (read: industry plants) to connect and slurp down direct IP addresses to swarm participants. It's an unanswered legal question whether low-level uploading (such as the percentages one would get as a "leech", connecting to the torrent and then disconnecting immediately after completion) might fall under "fair use" or "fair dealing" statutes in various jurisdictions. US-centric here: I…

In Germany at least, uploading even a single byte of content is illegal. We don't really have Fair Use here; there are only few, very narrow exceptions. It is also not even required to show that that single byte was uploaded, your IP getting logged as part of the swarm suffices. The burden of proof is on you now. It was much, much worse than in the US. While all this is technically still true today, a new law a few y…

You comment shares bytes with copyrighted content, does that mean you broke the law?
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