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Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by Henchman21 »

loeg wrote: post #191
asveikau wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't please every human alive, so I might as well not try to do any better. This is a very Zuckerbergian take.

Do you want to prevent leaks, or achieve some other goal? If you want to prevent leaks, this isn't an effective approach. If you want to achieve a different goal, that's fine, too, but orthogonal to the stated goal. For leaks, it's probably better to just restrict communications to the necessary distribution and understand that anything widely distributed is more or less public.

You can prevent all the leaks by having nothing bad to leak. That is what is being suggested.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Havoc wrote: post #8

I think there is a bit of wider social norms piece missing as well on AI use in knowledge work context. Someone forwarded an enormous amount of text over teams the other day at work. From someone (bless her) that always means well but usually averages about one spelling mistake per word and rarely goes over 20 words per message. Clearly copy paste chatgpt. For say hn gang that thinks in terms of context shifts, infor…

My current bar is “if you know I’m expecting to hear from a person don’t paste unedited ChatGPT outputs and hit send.” Everybody wants to send out the efforts of their corner-cutting, but nobody wants to receive them.

Most people know when they are doing it. If you feel the need to obscure your LLM usage, it means you didn’t put enough of your own voice and work into the final draft and you need to do something about that.

Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by Forgeties79 »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #60
Forgeties79 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> until we collectively redefine and enforce a value system that benefits us all Tons of us called for common sense guard rails and a little bit of actual intention as we rolled out LLM’s, but we were all shouted down as “luddites” who were “obstructing progress.” We all knew this was coming. It’s been incredibly frustrating knowing how preventable so much of it has been and will continue to be. Edit: these responses…

Sigh, and what guardrails are common sense? Are those the same level of common sense as those advocated for guns ( and narrowed down at every possible opportunity )? Some of us see this tech as possibly revolutionary and thanks to useful individuals calling for muzzling that tech we now have the worst of both worlds: centrally controlled, not really open ( weights are just weights -- though Meta actually deserves som…

>sigh,

I stopped reading. No point in engaging this if that’s how you’re kicking things off.

Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by mystraline »

mlinsey wrote: post #101
mystraline wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Public won the encryption battle against the USG and ITAR idiocy. Well, until climate destroying shitcoin. Thats a big Lose. The printing press had sooo much state violence over that everywhere. Oral contraceptives are a fight the USA is losing to the extremist christian republicans. Right now the line is right on Misoprostol. And shithole states like Texas even criminalize day-after pills and 'suspect' miscarria…

You're describing efforts by powerful institutions to squash the technology, which they definitely try to do, but that's just a strong signal that the technology itself is inherently opposed to centralized power, not an enabler of it. Other technologies like surveillance (and, perhaps, AI) are more clearly centralizing and enabling of power. The difference matters a lot if you're having mixed feelings about working i…

You are anthromorphizing technology. He doesnt like that.

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Post by gerdesj »

menloshark wrote: post #198

Here's how things play out: Zuck gets some idea, he's surrounded by a bunch of yes men who say "yes, this will definitely change the world", then it turns into this optics game of kissing the ring. You ask yourself "how could they blow 80B on the Metaverse like that", this is how. DON'T JOIN META, no matter how fast the recruiters reply to your messages. No matter how cool the work sounds (the managers lie in team ma…

Is this supposition or first hand experience?

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Post by j-bos »

asveikau wrote: post #179
loeg wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any possible way to behave to satisfy every single employee of tens of thousands.

Can't please every human alive, so I might as well not try to do any better. This is a very Zuckerbergian take.

> This is a very Zuckerbergian take.

No, it's just a common fallacy. If you don't like the guy, isn't "zuckerbergian" an example of helping him live rent free in people's heads?

Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by menloshark »

gerdesj wrote: post #206
menloshark wrote: post #198

Here's how things play out: Zuck gets some idea, he's surrounded by a bunch of yes men who say "yes, this will definitely change the world", then it turns into this optics game of kissing the ring. You ask yourself "how could they blow 80B on the Metaverse like that", this is how. DON'T JOIN META, no matter how fast the recruiters reply to your messages. No matter how cool the work sounds (the managers lie in team ma…

Is this supposition or first hand experience?

The latter. I've seen so much unethical shit here, I'd love to give more detail but I'd probably dox myself

Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by sidewndr46 »

bachmeier wrote: post #12

> it is cutting jobs to offset its A.I. spending, saying last month that it would slash 10 percent of its work force. > Meta also introduced internal dashboards to track employees’ consumption of “tokens,” a unit of A.I. use that is roughly equivalent to four characters of text, four people said. Some said the dashboards were a pressure tactic to encourage competition with colleagues. That led some employees to make…

I'm reminded of the sales dashboard that tracked the number of calls each sales employee made. There was one employee in 1st place that I assume just always called the same customers multiple times. Her position was about 10x 2nd place.

If someone gave me unfettered access to inference of modern LLMs, there would be no concept of measurement other than the total system wide capacity of whatever the company had available.

Re: Meta's embrace of AI is making its employees miserable

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Post by erentz »

Havoc wrote: post #8

I think there is a bit of wider social norms piece missing as well on AI use in knowledge work context. Someone forwarded an enormous amount of text over teams the other day at work. From someone (bless her) that always means well but usually averages about one spelling mistake per word and rarely goes over 20 words per message. Clearly copy paste chatgpt. For say hn gang that thinks in terms of context shifts, infor…

Seems AI has made it cheap to produce information but now you have to spend more time parsing the information. And it’s now the less competent/useful people spending less time producing more information with the more useful people spending more of their valuable time parsing that information. This is why I’m skeptical of LLMs ever becoming a net benefit in most organizations.
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