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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arrested not convicted.

Japan has a conviction rate of 99.8%. arrested and convicted is pretty much the same thing over there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

It's actually not. You can be arrested and then released without charges, which is not a conviction but does not factor into the conviction rate statistic.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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post #5

Holy shit this is horrible. It really shows the true cost of having a disciplined public society. People love to hate on SF, and the homelessness. But I think it’s a society that prioritizes individual freedom which allows for both this outcome and the entrepreneurial environment we see.

You are not supposed to be in jail, and you are not supposed to enjoy it if you are. It makes sense to optimize society for law obiding people.

Society can be optimized for the law-abiding without being needlessly cruel.

Jail's job is to keep you around during your legal process. You're not supposed to enjoy jail but it's not supposed to be torture, either. Torture does not belong in a civilized society and especially should not be used against those who have not even been formally charged. much less convicted, of a crime.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

#44
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arrested not convicted.

Japan has a conviction rate of 99.8%. arrested and convicted is pretty much the same thing over there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

Of charges, not arrests.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

#45
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arrested not convicted.

Japan has a conviction rate of 99.8%. arrested and convicted is pretty much the same thing over there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

And your point is?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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post #5

Holy shit this is horrible. It really shows the true cost of having a disciplined public society. People love to hate on SF, and the homelessness. But I think it’s a society that prioritizes individual freedom which allows for both this outcome and the entrepreneurial environment we see.

You are not supposed to be in jail, and you are not supposed to enjoy it if you are. It makes sense to optimize society for law obiding people.

>and you are not supposed to enjoy it if you are.

Hard disagree. Prison is the one you're not supposed to enjoy, jail is the place you use to keep people BEFORE they are judged.

A jail should limit the people held only as much as needed for the safety of the public and the handlers, but no punishment should be inflicted because no one's a convicted criminal (yet).

And in any case, prison should have a strong component of making the guilty person fit to live among others. A person that's been made to sit still staring at the wall for all their waking life for years is a person I definitely don't want as a neighbour, because there's no way they come out of that sane.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Seems like it's not pleasant, and the author says in theory it could be as low of a bar as getting into a heated argument; but the author never discloses his actual charge, which I think is critical context. If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different than if he had a loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. That he doesn't go on to protest why he got locked…

Arrested not convicted.

The author acknowledges that it still ruins people's lives and is completely unfair.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

#48

Seems like it's not pleasant, and the author says in theory it could be as low of a bar as getting into a heated argument; but the author never discloses his actual charge, which I think is critical context. If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different than if he had a loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US. That he doesn't go on to protest why he got locked…

> loud but normal argument you might see in any big box store in the US.

I always assumed this kind of behaviour was cherry picked on social media. How “normal” is it actually?!

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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post #3

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100% this -- westerners love to criticize Japan's justice system, while ignoring the fact that much of it actually works.

Drugs? Petty crime? Homelessness? No other country comes close to managing these problems as well as Japan does, and Japan somehow manages to do this without descending into a 1984-esque surveillance state. Wander the streets of Tokyo at night and you will see zero drug-addicted homeless people. How many western cities could one say that about?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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post #37
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point it's just a synonym for "type of authoritarianism I don't like".

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Wanting to feel safe walking around the city because you know the homeless aren't going to attack you or otherwise be psychotic at you is evil?
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