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EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by olsondv »

danaris wrote: post #133
JV00 wrote: post #16

Perhaps these legislators are addicted to porn and don't want their children to do to themselves the same they have done. Would explain their obsession and relentlessness to get this done. It's just a pity they are destroying the internet while doing that. They should be attacking the companies making money from porn instead. And by the way porn can damage your mind even after 18 so age verification is not a real sol…

Porn addiction has been shown not to be a real thing. People who believe they are addicted to porn view porn at approximately the same rate as other people: they just feel more guilty about it, due to being raised to believe that it is shameful. One source on the topic: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202207/...

The article gave one anecdotal example of a person who misdiagnosed themself and then tried to make a broader point by disregarding the definition of addiction. Addiction is not just how many times a compulsive behavior is done. It’s the inability to regulate oneself for the behavior often at the expense of relationships or other responsibilities. If you’re looking at porn when you should be working, that could be addiction, for example. Apply that to relationships too. If you’re looking at porn and masturbating instead of being with your spouse, that’s addiction too.

Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by gessha »

retired wrote: post #173
ozgung wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you are asking logical questions. You are thinking and talking too much for a World citizen in 2026. "Reasoning" is a reserved word for chatbots now, so we humans are not allowed to do that anymore. We can only obey like a bot and pretend all the lies they tell are the truth. BTW I live in Turkiye where the government banned ALL the adult websites around 2008. Even as an adult you can't access them. This year the…

Grab a SIM-card from Bulgaria with roaming enabled. Internet is routed through the Bulgarian ISP even when you are in Turkiye. Full internet access, no VPN required.

Until the three representatives from Bulgaria and the ones from the other EU countries win out lobbying for ChatControl and expand it to VPNControl too.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

eowln wrote: post #73
AlecSchueler wrote: post #71

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If only we were all privileged enough to believe that the problems in the world today weren't real.

I was talking about the first world. And yes, I think most if not all of the problems in the first world are gratuitously self-inflicted.

Even if that were true (it isn't) you would want to consider the systemic issues that background self-sabotage.

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Post by sensanaty »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #53
reddalo wrote: post #28

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I agree, age verification on the web should 100% banned. Parents should learn how to be parents; the government shouldn't force companies to do parenting instead.

So you're implying alcohol and cigarettes should be sold to children? (Not to mention all the other consent age laws.) That said, VPN is a national security issue, children are only a pretext.

What does national security even mean anymore? People are using this term for basically everything these days, as if saying "national security" is somehow a justification on its own.

What "national security" implications are there with VPNs?

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Post by slaw »

retired wrote: post #173
ozgung wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you are asking logical questions. You are thinking and talking too much for a World citizen in 2026. "Reasoning" is a reserved word for chatbots now, so we humans are not allowed to do that anymore. We can only obey like a bot and pretend all the lies they tell are the truth. BTW I live in Turkiye where the government banned ALL the adult websites around 2008. Even as an adult you can't access them. This year the…

Grab a SIM-card from Bulgaria with roaming enabled. Internet is routed through the Bulgarian ISP even when you are in Turkiye. Full internet access, no VPN required.

You have to tolerate 100ms ping.

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Post by carlosjobim »

delusional wrote: post #190
christophilus wrote: post #163

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Parents can protect their children. Source: I’m a parent. My kids haven’t seen porn and can’t access the internet. This doesn’t affect the free exchange of ideas that my fellow countrymen enjoy. Governments getting involved absolutely, unequivocally will be used to clamp down on the free exchange of ideas.

That wasn't the point i was asking for an argument for. What I wanted to know is how age verification is worse then allowing children to watch porn. To make that argument. > Source: I’m a parent. My kids haven’t seen porn and can’t access the internet. Are they above the age of 16? Because then you're either Amish or out of touch.

Age verification isn't the problem. It is just a tool for censorship. It's censorship which is the problem.

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Post by Aerroon »

messe wrote: post #76
nickff wrote: post #26

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As someone who lives in a jurisdiction which does require such disclosure: it is a significant inconvenience for small businesses, and no benefit to the general public.

Precisely what inconvenience does it actually cause those businesses?

Your personal info becomes public because it's attached to the business information. This can include phone numbers, emails, full names, home addresses etc. All accessible online by anyone, including spammers, scammers, swatters etc.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

izacus wrote: post #206
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #179

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I appreciate the support but I am not surprised. Even on HN there is been a surge of users who instead of defending their arguments or positions on certain sensitive topics such as the EU prefer to simply smear the opposition. I write about the EU a lot because I live there and I am especially interested in what the EU is doing regarding tech. I am especially critical of policies that target my private life and it ir…

Calling out blatant lying and bot propaganda isn't "smearing the opposition". It's disgusting that people run here, write utter complete lying bullshit and then you attack folks that say "hey, this is complete bullshit". Be better.

> Calling out blatant lying and bot propaganda isn't "smearing the opposition".

I am not sure what you are trying to get at.

Are you implying that this new draft is not in any way related to the recent Chat Control proposal that wanted to intercept all encrypted messages on phones in the EU, this same proposal that has been debated many times here on HN?

If so, then I am sorry if you think this blatant lying. You must have not been paying attention nor have read the many drafts of this law.

This proposal of tightening regulations around messaging apps and VPNs is being pushed as part of the other pushes for digital identity, age verification and potentially linking online identities to your real identity.

This is not happening just around Europe. It's also happening in the UK, Australia and more and I disagree with everyone of them.

This is not a conspiracy theory, this is publicly documented information that has been reviewed by journalist of all sides and has been decried by many human rights organizations who rightfully see all these moves as wanting to remove fully or partially the anonymity that the internet has provided thus far while curtailing freedom of speech.

> It's disgusting that people run here, write utter complete lying bullshit and then you attack folks that say "hey, this is complete bullshit".

I haven't attacked anyone. I am not sure what you are talking about.

I was the one who was attacked ad-hominem by OP who casually hinted that I was either a troll, a bot or working for Russia or China when the truth is that I am simply a EU citizen who is dissatisfied with the way the EU has handled a lot of it's tech regulations and I am simply voicing my personal opinions on these matters just like anyone else does in these threads.

Maybe you don't share my opinions and that's fine, we don't have to be friends.

> Be better

I will interpret this comment as simply someone who sees himself in the right and looks down on everyone else as poor souls needing to be guided to the light. This is not Reddit, you can get off your high horse now.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

izacus wrote: post #207
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #172

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> There is no such thing as the EU wants X. There are huge differences between what the European Commission, the European Council, and the majority of the European Parliament want. Of course there is such a thing as EU wants X. The commission drafts laws and presents them to the MEPs who vote on them. The MEPs do not have the ability to propose their own laws. So all these bullshit laws that are voted on originate fr…

What does this rant have to do with the linked report in this article?

> What does this rant have to do with the linked report in this article?

This is not a rant. I responded to OPs message point by point and simply expressed my opinion on these matters just like he did.

I also responded to OPs thinly veiled accusations that are completely unfounded and downright accusatory.

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Post by ChoGGi »

More bullshit from the gov.

Add better parental controls to devices, if Facebook sends my children porn on a phone that's "underage" than they get a big fat fine.

But I guess then there's no sending my ID to the world, think of the poor advertisers.

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