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A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Unfortunately it still does create errors.

This is of enormous importance but still is being actively ignored by many professionals or dismissed as as a minor issue.

Our emotional human brains are very enthusiastic about these new kind of "intelligent" products ("partners") and we want to believe so hard that they are finally "there" that we tend to ignore how big of a problem it is that LLMs carry a fundamental design problem with them that will make them produce errors even when we use a grotesque amount of resources to build "bigger" versions of them. The potential for errors will never go away with the current AI architecture.

This is a fundamental paradigm shift in computing. Instead of putting a lot of energy into building an architecture that will produce reliable results, we are now maximizing on a system / idea that will never give us 100% reliable results.

Basically it is just a marketing stunt. Probably the computer science guy building it knew very well that he would still need some fundamental break troughs to get to a real product, but the marketing guy saw that there is still potential to make a lot of money by selling a product that will produce correct results only 80% of the time.

The marketing guy was right and marketing is now dominating science, but humanity will pay a big price for that.

Putting enormous amounts of money into a fundamentally flawed system that we can not optimize to produce reliably error free results is just stupid.

The big achievement of "classical" computing is that the results are reliably error free. We have still some known issues eg. with floating point math and bad blocks on disk / bit flipping etc. but these are observable and we can handle / avoid them. Generally "non-ai-computing" was made so reliable, that we can depend on it for many very important things. This came not by accident but was created by a lot of people who put a lot of resources into research to achieve that result.

LLMs introduce a level of uncertainty and unreliability into computing that makes them practically useless.

Because if you have enough knowledge to verify the result and AI is only quicker in producing the result, what is the point then putting so much resources in it (besides making money by re-centralizing computing, of course). Verifying a lot of results that have been produced quicker is still slow, so the people who are now just AI verifiers should just produce the results themselves, makes the whole process quicker.

AI is only of value if it can produce results about things that you or your organization does not know anything about. But these results you can not verify and therefore potentially wrong results can be fatal for you, your organization and all the people that are affected by actions generated based on these wrong results.

Many people have already been killed because decision makers are not able to follow that very simple logic.

So we can still create "interesting and enjoyable results", but finally it is a gigantic miss-allocation of resources of historic idiocy. It fits, of course, very well in a timeline where grifters are on top of societies around the world.

It is a fundamentally wrong path that should not be followed and scientists around the world should articulate exactly that instead of producing marketing blog posts for a system with such fatal inherent issues.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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post #141

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I assume you're using the "regular" Pro version of Gemini 3.1 for the above, rather than the Deep Think mode, which is more comparable to GPT-5.5 Pro. To my knowledge, regular 3.1 Pro is a tier below and often makes mistakes. Moreover, there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs, which couldn't reliably solve high-school math problems just 3–4 years ago, will stop anytime soon. You might want to track the progr…

> there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs [...] will stop anytime soon Wrong. Every advancement has followed a s curve. Where we are on that curve is anyones guess. Or maybe "this time its different".

This could be right for the current architecture of LLMs, but you can come up with specialized large language models that can more efficiently use tokens for a specific subset of problems by encoding the information differently (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03214-7).

So if instead of text we come up with a different representation for mathematical or physical problems, that could both improve the quality of the output while reducing the amount of transformers needed for decoding and encoding IO and for internal reasoning.

There are also difference inference methods, like autoregressive and diffusion, and maybe others we haven't discovered yet.

You combine those variables, along with the internal disposition of layers, parameter size and the actual dataset, and you have such a large search space for different models that no one can reliably tell if LLM performance is going to flatline or continue to improve exponentially.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Nobody is releasing NEW models

The standard networking connection has been called “Ethernet” for more than thirty years, so networking has stagnated, right?

If higher bandwidth networking consisted primarily running more and more ethernet lines in parallel, you would most certainly agree that "networking has stagnated".

"Reasoning" and now "Agentic" AI systems are not some fundamental improvement on LLMs, they're just running roughly the same prior-gen LLMS, multiple times.

Hence the conclusion that LLM improvement has slowed down, if not stagnated entirely, and that we should not expect the improvements of switching to these "reasoning" systems to keep happening.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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Robot MotoGP would be amazing to see just how far the limits could be pushed without risking the life of a human though. Or even full size remote control.

Sadly I don't think there is any safe tracks for proper autonomous car racing without limits... Still would be interesting to see what is the absolute best you could do if rules include only say minimum number of wheels and maximum dimensions for vehicles.

xkcd “what if” covered this: https://what-if.xkcd.com/116/

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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post #131

I am a physics professor and often use Gemini to check my papers. It is a formidable tool: it was able to find a clerical error (a missing imaginary unit in a complex mathematical expression) I was not able to find for days, and it often underlines connections between concepts and ideas that I overlooked. However, it often makes conceptual errors that I can spot only because I have good knowledge of the topic I am di…

> in 3D Clifford algebras it repeatedly confuses exponential of bivectors and of pseudoscalars. I have no idea what any of those words even mean. I'm sure LLMs make similar obvious-to-professors mistakes in all the domains. Not long ago, we didn't even have chatbots capable of basic conversation...

Ironically, it's sort of the other way around! Every frontier chatbot since GPT 4 (at least) has had a pretty good understanding of even very esoteric technical concepts.

Bivectors and pseudoscalars (in a 3D context) are "just" signed areas and volumes. Easy!

Back around the GPT 3, 3.5, and 4.0 era I used to ask the bots to explain "counterfactual determinism", which is one of the most complex topics I personally understand.

Then I would lie to the bot about it, and see if it corrected me or not.

This test is useless now, the frontier models can't be fooled any longer on such "basic" concepts.

Conversely, LLMs are basically useless at anything that doesn't have enough (or no) public information for their training. Think: obscure proprietary product config files and the like, even if the concepts involved are trivial.

Similarly, Clifford Algebra is a relatively niche (even "alternative") area of mathematics and physics, with vastly less written material about it than the competing linear algebra. Hence, the AIs are bad at it.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're using the "regular" Pro version of Gemini 3.1 for the above, rather than the Deep Think mode, which is more comparable to GPT-5.5 Pro. To my knowledge, regular 3.1 Pro is a tier below and often makes mistakes. Moreover, there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs, which couldn't reliably solve high-school math problems just 3–4 years ago, will stop anytime soon. You might want to track the progr…

> there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs [...] will stop anytime soon Wrong. Every advancement has followed a s curve. Where we are on that curve is anyones guess. Or maybe "this time its different".

It’s more of a guess if you don’t know about things like scaling laws and RL with verification. The onus of “we’re going to saturate” anytime soon is on that claim because every measurement points to that not being true.

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're using the "regular" Pro version of Gemini 3.1 for the above, rather than the Deep Think mode, which is more comparable to GPT-5.5 Pro. To my knowledge, regular 3.1 Pro is a tier below and often makes mistakes. Moreover, there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs, which couldn't reliably solve high-school math problems just 3–4 years ago, will stop anytime soon. You might want to track the progr…

There are many indications that model progress is slowing down, so that is not entirely accurate.

Please be specific because outside of anecdotal blog posts by people who don’t know what they’re talking about it’s not true. Look at scaling laws, composite benchmarks from the epoch capability index, nothing at all suggests “model progress is slowing down”

Re: A recent experience with ChatGPT 5.5 Pro

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I am a physics professor and often use Gemini to check my papers. It is a formidable tool: it was able to find a clerical error (a missing imaginary unit in a complex mathematical expression) I was not able to find for days, and it often underlines connections between concepts and ideas that I overlooked. However, it often makes conceptual errors that I can spot only because I have good knowledge of the topic I am di…

I assume you're using the "regular" Pro version of Gemini 3.1 for the above, rather than the Deep Think mode, which is more comparable to GPT-5.5 Pro. To my knowledge, regular 3.1 Pro is a tier below and often makes mistakes. Moreover, there's no reason to believe the progress of LLMs, which couldn't reliably solve high-school math problems just 3–4 years ago, will stop anytime soon. You might want to track the progr…

Deep think still makes many many many more mistakes than gpt 5.5 pro on math
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