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Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by XorNot »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #165
abacadaba00 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read carefully, only “inconclusive” reports have been released. I guess that’s what “Unexplained Areal Phenomena” means.

That's a good point, they should also release all the reports that have been conclusively shown to have an ordinary explanation.

Except some of those would be necessarily suppressed because "it's the X-57" might be the sort of thing you don't want to release a picture of (nor say, F-22 doing some manoeuver we don't acknowledge it's capable of - in NATO exercises F-22 pilots are instructed to limit their flying to keep some of the plane's capabilities secret).

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by XorNot »

mrandish wrote: post #338
krapp wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only aware of Avi Loeb, who AFAIK is generally considered a crackpot and a grifter within academia, and his claims about Oumuamua and aliens aren't taken seriously by the mainstream. Who are the others?

I'm not the poster you replied to but it's worth mentioning that there are, unfortunately, examples of more than a few highly-credentialed academics and scientists believing some pretty out there things. Due to such a large sample size, humans being human and tenure being for life, sometimes you're going to get outliers. Plus expertise in one discipline doesn't necessarily generalize to appropriate scientific rigor a…

"Nobel disease" [1] as well.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by dragonwriter »

GolfPopper wrote: post #177
nolok wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure they renamed it the departement of war, for some reason

> I'm pretty sure they renamed it the daprtement of war, for some reason. Nope. Actually renaming it was too long and complicated a process, so instead they're pretending they renamed it.

> Actually renaming it was too long and complicated a process,

Specifically, actually renaming it requires an Act of Congress, since it is specified in law.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by dragonwriter »

CMay wrote: post #328
nolok wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure they renamed it the departement of war, for some reason

It used to be named the Department of War and Palmer Luckey suggested naming it back. People agreed, so they did. It's just another part of changing the posture to match the philosophy that the best defensive is a good offense. It seems to be working pretty well, if you know what we're defending against.

> It used to be named the Department of War

No, it didn't.

For a few years before it was the Department of Defense it was the National Military Establishment (with an initialism with a very unfortunate pronunciation given its function) and before that it didn't exist at all.

Now, before the National Military Establishment was formed to unify the nations military bureaucracy, there were two separate cabinet level departments, the Department of War (which oversaw the Army) and the Department of the Navy (which oversaw the Navy, including the Marine Corps.) When the NME was created, the Army was split into the Army and the Air Force, and the Department of War was likewise split into the Department of the Army and the Department of the Air Force. Both of these new Departments and the Department of the Navy remained (briefly) cabinet-level departments with their own Secretaries, while the NME was headed by the new Secretary of Defense.

Very quickly, though, further reforms were adopted in law and the NME became the Department of Defense and the service secretaries were formally subordinated to the Secretary of Defense and were now subcabinet positions (which is how the DoD got its unique, within the US executive branch, Department with its own cabinet level Secretary with subordinate Departments headed by a subcabinet level Secretaries organization.)

TLDR: The Department of War was not an earlier name for the Department of Defense, it was the name for the Department of the Army before the Air Force was split out from it.

> Palmer Luckey suggested naming it back. People agreed, so they did.

Well, again, it couldn’t be named back to “Department of War”, because its only previous name was “National Military Establishment.” And while some people obviously agreed that it should be called “Department of War”, they didn’t actually rename it. The name in law of the organization named “The Department of Defense” in 1949 by amendments to the National Security Act of 1947 remains “The Department of Defense”. It hasn’t been renamed. The present executive branch leadership has adopted nicknames for the department and the titles of its officials ("secondary titles” in the language of EO 14347 which formalized the system of nicknames [and also recounts as if true the false history that “Department of War” was previously the name of the Department of Defense].)

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by jibal »

keepamovin wrote: post #388
mrandish wrote: post #281

For anyone else who has a UFO-crazy uncle, I've found Mick West's YouTube channel to be invaluable https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick is a retired video game programmer (Spider Man, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk), who does extremely well-researched videos analyzing UFO claims. He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments,…

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What remarkable projection.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by jibal »

keepamovin wrote: post #403
marshray wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As used here "UFO-crazy" wasn't a supposition, it was a constraint. "UFO-crazy uncles" are known to exist. This is not an extraordinary claim. The existence of such uncles provides no evidence for or against extraterrestrial visitors or other aerial phenomena.

In context seemed more like a smear for any who don't dismiss as unremarkable. But I'm glad you took it as the narrow case, tho - do they really "exist", or might they have just been right all along ? Lol

> In context seemed more like a smear

Not to anyone who is intellectually honest.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by jibal »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #362
mrandish wrote: post #281

For anyone else who has a UFO-crazy uncle, I've found Mick West's YouTube channel to be invaluable https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick is a retired video game programmer (Spider Man, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk), who does extremely well-researched videos analyzing UFO claims. He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments,…

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Sez you, but you aren't credible.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by jibal »

nolok wrote: post #169
ahmetcadirci25 wrote: post #21

The US Department of Defense has published a CSV dataset containing UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) observation records. It appears to include structured entries that can be used for independent analysis and research. Dataset: https://www.war.gov/Portals/1/Interactive/2026/UFO/uap-csv.c... Mirror: https://gist.github.com/ahmetcadirci25/e4edb7d30109fdb8ff14b... Could be useful for anyone interested in data analysi…

I'm pretty sure they renamed it the departement of war, for some reason

Only Congress can rename it.
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