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Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by hnfong »

rapnie wrote: post #444
marshray wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every person on Earth could agree that Earth is flat and it wouldn't affect the reality of whether or not extraterrestrials visit earth even a little bit.

The shared causal structure is the absence of facts and denial of science. Nearly every religion on earth also suffers from that in their gospel, where many fictitious and supernatural phenomena are bundled together and sold for truth.

There is nothing anti-science about the idea of extraterrestrial intelligence. In fact its apparent absence is has a name -- it's called the Fermi Paradox.

And the facts are just ... released. It's the interpretation of the observations that are disputed. And unless you think they are all fake, the explanations that do not involve alien tech are non-trivial to say the least.

I'm not sure why you'd think there is any shared causal structure with flat earthers at all.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by marshray »

rapnie wrote: post #444
marshray wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every person on Earth could agree that Earth is flat and it wouldn't affect the reality of whether or not extraterrestrials visit earth even a little bit.

The shared causal structure is the absence of facts and denial of science. Nearly every religion on earth also suffers from that in their gospel, where many fictitious and supernatural phenomena are bundled together and sold for truth.

> the absence of facts

I'd prefer to speak about "evidence in support of/against" rather than "facts", which often conceals a presuming-the-consequent kind of fallacy.

> denial of science

Whether "science" is believed or denied by any particular person has no effect on whether or not extraterrestrial intelligence has or is visiting earth.

Demanding that "science" be believed is un-scientific. I am not drawing an equivalence between science and religion here, but pointing out that your argument is a super hand-wavey appeal to an inviolable "gospel". I'm old enough to remember when a theory like intra-galactic panspermia was regarded like canals-on-Mars.

In my view, ETI theories are lacking any credible evidence and this makes me sad.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by stevenhuang »

keepamovin wrote: post #393
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #226

So with The War having ground to an unsatisfactory halt, they're now releasing distraction #2. I wonder how many will be needed between now and November? Convince me I'm wrong.

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Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by keyle »

nycdatasci wrote: post #180
ks2048 wrote: post #149

We will know when aliens are here when a new Polymarket account bets $10M on "aliens about to be discovered".

https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-us-confirm-that-aliens...

The truth is out there! One cent at a time.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by XorNot »

marshray wrote: post #446
keepamovin wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK - this needs some good examples :)

People who believe in "chemtrails" are (in my un-scientific survey) pretty likely to be conspiracy enthusiasts ("cranks", "crazy", etc.). But they're not wrong that the stuff coming out of the back of jet aircraft is changing the climate. Small, localized weather engineering programs have long been real (cloud seeding), and planetary-scale climate engineering projects are now openly discussed by governments. E.g. htt…

Except "stuff" isn't coming out of the back of aircraft: they're talking about aircraft contrails which is just condensed water vapor from wingtip turbulence.

The people who claim they're monitoring chemtrails aren't even watching aircraft which are deliberately dispensing payloads, because it just isn't that common in the first place (unless you go out and watch crop dusting, but then you can also just see the guy land, get out, and talk about it).

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by comrh »

jatora wrote: post #371
pear01 wrote: post #246

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They will never release them. The distraction will morph into all the electoral subterfuge they will attempt as they increasingly fear losing power at the polls. They know what's in those files and what will happen to them if they lose in 2028. Thus they will be even more incentivized to behave badly. If gas prices double from here it will be less stupid distraction and more overt authoritarianism... the ICE question…

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Everyone else is brainwashed/uninformed/doesn't employ "critical thinking" but me, I am the very smart one

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by discreteevent »

Morromist wrote: post #448
keepamovin wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of birds are cold in black-hot imagery? What sort of missiles don't have an exhaust but a "ghost shell" trailing behind? What sort of balloons show up as contrast instead of neutral? Your comment is all certainty, and the thread has rewarded that. People are seeking definite answers - seems proportional to the uncertainty they sense. Do you really feel qualified to provide that? Seems a big responsibility t…

This is one of those things where an objective person shouldn't start out with a completely neutral attitude. Have you ever heard that phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? For example, If I take a blurry photo of something I see outside on a full moon that's probably a raccoon and proclaim its a photo of the elder god Nug, spawn of Azathoth, the Lord of All Things, and someone points out that…

This is even more true when there are so many blurry photos. It's as if Nugs acolytes keep putting up photos and making claims but not a single photo clearly shows his three heads or single pogo stick leg. The more photos there are, the more likely it is that at least one of them should clearly display Nug.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by XorNot »

ethagnawl wrote: post #182
nolok wrote: post #169

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I'm pretty sure they renamed it the departement of war, for some reason

There is. They're insecure man-children who played too much Call of Duty.

I'm not unconvinced Hegseth bought wholesale into the book version of Starship Troopers, since Heinlein complaining about calling it the Department of Defense is one of his stand-in character rants. But that is my personal bias since I forced myself to suffer through it recently.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by [deleted] »

Morromist wrote: post #448
keepamovin wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of birds are cold in black-hot imagery? What sort of missiles don't have an exhaust but a "ghost shell" trailing behind? What sort of balloons show up as contrast instead of neutral? Your comment is all certainty, and the thread has rewarded that. People are seeking definite answers - seems proportional to the uncertainty they sense. Do you really feel qualified to provide that? Seems a big responsibility t…

This is one of those things where an objective person shouldn't start out with a completely neutral attitude. Have you ever heard that phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? For example, If I take a blurry photo of something I see outside on a full moon that's probably a raccoon and proclaim its a photo of the elder god Nug, spawn of Azathoth, the Lord of All Things, and someone points out that…

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Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by [deleted] »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #269
anigbrowl wrote: post #228

This is pure propaganda. It's been astroturfed on 4chan and mainstream social media for weeks, though to great skepticism on the former. The UFO nut community (people who make their interest/belief in UFOs into their entire personality, to the neglect of all other considerations) is being weaponized for political leverage, just like the anti-vax and chemtrail communities were.

It's the next distraction. They have a new one queued up every week until November.

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