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Post by weakfish »

jatora wrote: post #371
pear01 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will never release them. The distraction will morph into all the electoral subterfuge they will attempt as they increasingly fear losing power at the polls. They know what's in those files and what will happen to them if they lose in 2028. Thus they will be even more incentivized to behave badly. If gas prices double from here it will be less stupid distraction and more overt authoritarianism... the ICE question…

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All of this is true only if you’re unaffected by the policies of ICE/transgender/etc

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by keepamovin »

marshray wrote: post #398
keepamovin wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As used here "UFO-crazy" wasn't a supposition, it was a constraint. "UFO-crazy uncles" are known to exist. This is not an extraordinary claim. The existence of such uncles provides no evidence for or against extraterrestrial visitors or other aerial phenomena.

In context seemed more like a smear for any who don't dismiss as unremarkable. But I'm glad you took it as the narrow case, tho - do they really "exist", or might they have just been right all along? Lol

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by marshray »

keepamovin wrote: post #393
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #226

So with The War having ground to an unsatisfactory halt, they're now releasing distraction #2. I wonder how many will be needed between now and November? Convince me I'm wrong.

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Conspicuously missing in your argument is a link to a credible source with any evidence (or even 1st person testimony). It should be easy.

Instead, I just see elaborate narratives about political motivations and garbage evidence like that laughably low-effort fake video presented in Congress by Representatives.

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Post by krferriter »

keepamovin wrote: post #382
krferriter wrote: post #220

Several of these look like balloons and birds. Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source. None of…

What kind of birds are cold in black-hot imagery? What sort of missiles don't have an exhaust but a "ghost shell" trailing behind? What sort of balloons show up as contrast instead of neutral? Your comment is all certainty, and the thread has rewarded that. People are seeking definite answers - seems proportional to the uncertainty they sense. Do you really feel qualified to provide that? Seems a big responsibility t…

Birds tend to be well insulated so when they fly at altitude in cold weather they don’t lose all their body heat.

The color it appears on infrared footage depends on the other pixels in frame. It uses dynamic ranges to map infrared values to a visible light spectrum. If the rest of the frame was ice, or you were looking up into space, a bird would probably be rendered as very warm.

If the rest of the frame is a warm ocean surface and warm wind turbines, then a flying bird may be rendered as cold relative to those pixels.

Balloons can also show up as a different temperature than the background of the frame depending on what the balloon is made of, altitude differences (ambient temp at high altitude is colder than at the surface), etc.

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Post by weakfish »

netbioserror wrote: post #344
adi_kurian wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I just read the page. It's about a famous concept that came from a book written by a Jewish Marxist who fled Nazi Germany. he wrote it in Paris in 1935 as the Nuremberg Laws were passed. Killed himself in 1940 trying to escape the Gestapo. He's not hiding any of it. Masquerade is a bit rich.

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An article about a topic doesn’t mean it’s endorsed - are you seriously suggesting that Wikipedia shouldn’t host an article that describes a theory if you don’t like the theory?

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Post by esbranson »

glenstein wrote: post #380
esbranson wrote: post #377

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> balloons and birds > missiles > diffraction+aperture artifact Uh if the US military cannot identify birds, balloons, light, and more importantly missiles after thorough cross-agency review, I think you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

Unique observation conditions definitely can and do make those difficult to identify in some cases. Omniscience in all cases does not follow from success in routine cases.

The Pentagon, White House, &c are not unusual or unique observation conditions. These are not just UFOs at the time, they are UFOs now after going through extensive review regimes.

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Post by mcswell »

cubefox wrote: post #314

A bit unfortunate that the terminology was changed from UFO to UAP. I liked UFO, most people knew what it meant, unlike UAP.

There may actually have been a legitimate reason for that. First, not all these "things" are said to be flying, some are supposed to have gone underwater (although "Aerial" sort of wrecks that idea). Second (and IMO more important), "Object" (in UFO) begs the question of whether these are objects. Many of them are not--they're artifacts in imaging or radar systems, or optical illusions--perhaps intentional illusions. ("Things" that appear to be moving really fast, then take a sudden turn, are easily imitated by lines of drones carrying radar and/or visual transponders.)

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by krferriter »

esbranson wrote: post #377
krferriter wrote: post #220

Several of these look like balloons and birds. Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source. None of…

> balloons and birds > missiles > diffraction+aperture artifact Uh if the US military cannot identify birds, balloons, light, and more importantly missiles after thorough cross-agency review, I think you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

This is not about “the US military cannot identify”.

These case reports happen often because one person filmed something and perhaps that one person didn’t know what it was. The video then gets saved and catalogued as unidentified. The video is then so lacking in information and context that it is literally impossible for people to later figure out exactly what object it was. AARO (and before them the UAP Task Force) has been investigating a lot of these case reports and many of them get resolved as “balloon-like objects” or “objects consistent with a balloon”, because the video is consistent with it being a balloon but they want to avoid stating definitively that they know the object was a balloon. If I recall correctly something half of the imagery that gets reported as UAP in the US military ends up falling into the “likely/definitely birds and balloons” bucket.

It is foolish to dismiss this, it’s simply a fact that balloons and birds are a common underlying cause for sightings which are reported to AARO as UAP. There have also been other cases where videos recorded of airplanes have been reported to AARO and they were able to figure out that it was airplanes. It’s not that “the US military doesn’t know what airplanes look like”, it’s that one person operating an IR camera in the military recorded a video and didn’t know what it was, so they reported it as being an unidentified aerial sighting. And then it gets put in this bucket of reports called “UAP sightings”. And maybe never gets resolved because there’s not enough information there to do anything with it.

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