I did something unpopular and just didn't have a captcha, I just read up on creepjs etc and rolled out my own which is just browser state analysis, basic ip check (abuse lists only) and PoW. Haven't had an issue with a single bot registration (yet).
Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
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Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#192Given the way Google is going I'm not sure if my next phone will be Android. I am fully aware that I am probably in the minority here. For me the trust is entirely gone.
You won't be alone. I've resolved that this will be my last Googled phone.
My dad runs the family domain/emails/etc. The hard part will be convincing him to degoogle the whole family.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost would bet one or a few of your ISP's customers have their connections being used as residential VPNs. I know people like to think of suspicious android box setups but even a lot of "free" apps, extensions and other such services scarily seem to do that duty these days. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but its sad how many people will use some free of cost vpn and not even think why that might be.
Yes, I have even seen mobile android games that include notices about a BrightData SDK or HolaVPN etc. where their idle bandwidth is resold.
Does the app function as a proxy? I always assumed that wasn’t possible.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#194I don't know why reclaimthenet hasn't embraced the obvious answer: Simply create a new smart device operating system with a fully disentangled cosmos of programs, libraries, APIs, app SDKs, hardware partners, drivers, trust networks, carrier agreements, app stores, documentation, conferences...
Same reason as "make another (better) windows" is very difficult - almost everyone wants to be able to run existing apps and drivers, so you're forever playing compatibility catchup with android (or windows).
That's the reason companies are desperate to be first/biggest - once you're it, you're it until you finally fall on your face and dwindle to a nobody.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#195Eww. Ok, so, I’ve used reCAPTCHA on sites I maintain at work, just on forms to prevent excessive bot spam submissions. No way do I want to subject users to this BS, though. Does anyone have recommendations for other decent captchas that could be used instead?
hcaptcha is pretty popular these days. It uses a very wide variety of traditional visual puzzles.
in my good ol' days I just sent a screenshot to 2captcha for grid of the entire captcha iframe which means that the solvers would have to figure out what to do instead of having to write code for each different type of captcha. to solve their new rotating puzzles I would just capture them at 50% opacity twice and change the prompt to pick the highest brightness object since 50% opacity would dim the moving elements.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost would bet one or a few of your ISP's customers have their connections being used as residential VPNs. I know people like to think of suspicious android box setups but even a lot of "free" apps, extensions and other such services scarily seem to do that duty these days. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but its sad how many people will use some free of cost vpn and not even think why that might be.
Honest question: Is there anything scary about this apart from lowering your ISP's reputation score?
Yes. What if your connection is used for illegal activity?
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#197I've kept a spare cheap android for too long and recently went with Graphene instead. I have one Google profile and only use it for Uber, work's Google Chat and maps. One bank refused to work (even with Google services) so I moved bank. I've moved most of my mobile use to self hosted (freshrss full text, password manager, calendar, tasks) with no direct internet connection. It's a bit irritating but I'm glad I starte…
If you don't mind me asking, what Bank? I've resolved that this phone will be my last googled phone, and my next will be GrapheneOS.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#198This isn't just about weirdos (like me) who run GrapheneOS. Huawei phones don't have Google Play services installed, or Xiaomi phones with MIUI China. That's what, a billion and a half phones that can't get to your website now?
Amazon tablets don't have Google services either, which hints that the upcoming Amazon phones also might not work with this.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#199Given the way Google is going I'm not sure if my next phone will be Android. I am fully aware that I am probably in the minority here. For me the trust is entirely gone.
I'm inclined towards keeping an ancient android for those apps that require it, and maybe something open for actual use. Or perhaps a crappy old android for android and a small non-android tablet/laptop for daily-driver stuff, which always works better as a computer anyway!
I'm also becoming open to using software that lies to google about what it is :) Google will treat us like sh*t, why shouldn't we reciprocate.
Re: Google broke reCAPTCHA for de-googled Android users
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
He just told you, he used cloudflare WARP. It's a "VPN" along the lines of NordVPN et al, but by cloudflare, so it gets special treatment by cloudflare's walled garden enforcement system.
I wonder if iCloud private relay might also work. Apple probably negotiated some special treatment
I’m guessing it’s all the same effect as CGNAT exit IPs. You need to get big enough to be unblockable. That’s why everyone is trying to get in on the VPN game.
This new reCAPTCHA setup is probably a good indicator that big tech wants to shift to verified access only. Personally, I’m just going to quit spending money via the internet and go back to piracy + retail stores with a physical location.