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Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by fragmede »

nemothekid wrote: post #222
brudgers wrote: post #198

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Someone sets up a server that accepts connections to it and then someone sends a connection request to it. My disappointment is not with websites. It is with browsers. They have continuously prioritized dark pattern support. They have consistently removed user control. I mean it's not the websites that default to recording every keystroke, default to tracker persistence, default to phoning home with daily telemetry,…

None of the information on the website I would argue is a dark pattern. The remote server knows my IP address? Yes that's how the web works. The server knows my window's resolution? Well I think thats very useful information for the application to have for layouting. You know what other application is recording my keystrokes right now? HackerNews. "recording keystrokes" is also known as "typing in a text box"

There's a difference between HN getting the final text when you hit "reply" and a site using JavaScript to time how long it takes you to hit each individual key press and how many times you hit backspace or moved your mouse to switch to a different tab to look something up or if you made up some facts in the comment or if you used an extension like grammarly or anything else.

Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by efreak »

dylan604 wrote: post #36
Steve16384 wrote: post #13

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I can't help feeling that if you're turning JS off, you might as well turn off your computer to protect your data.

As an experiment, I made a small retail shop ( nice things for UX. It's just that we can't have nice things because people suck

That's what frames are for. Only reload the frame with the important data in it (total cost, list of products in cart) and point the category links in the page to open in the same frame as the shopping cart. You can even style the frame contents with the main page's stylesheet so it only needs to load a `$41.29` total if that's all that's changed.

Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by efreak »

llbbdd wrote: post #192
dylan604 wrote: post #20

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Battery: kept back Your browser kept your battery level back. Firefox removed this API entirely in 2016, after researchers proved it could be used to track a visitor across websites without cookies, without consent. The API still exists in the specification. It was simply hidden — from you, and from any page that might ask after it. Well, at least something positive from the shit I take for not sheepling my way throu…

I got this message and I'm on Chrome, on a laptop. I tested in the console on that site and was able to get the battery level though, so I'm pretty sure their check is just broken.

Might be bugged or you might have some setting that doesn't allow websites to use it. Try https://googlechrome.github.io/samples/battery-status/

Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by neurocline »

yard2010 wrote: post #253
sgbeal wrote: post #191

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> Surely you can infer when you work and sleep from your experience living your life as you. Not everybody has a schedule. Mine is essentially "eat when hungry, sleep when tired", and my sleep patterns more closely follow a 26-hour day than a 24-hour day.

This is fascinating, please do tell more about it! How does it affect your mental health? How do you deal with times day and night are flipped? How does it affect your social life?

Supposedly we naturally gravitate to a 26–hour cycle (experiments done with people living underground and with no clocks)

Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by abustamam »

fragmede wrote: post #133
mwheelz wrote: post #63

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The 100% charging readout is the desktop-with-no-battery phantom. I pushed a stricter filter for that earlier, you may be on a cached copy (try a hard refresh). On the light-mode call: the page detects your preference but doesn't honor it, intentionally. The irony being that the demo ignores the same signal it points out. I take the cost of the annoyance.

Okay but it's really hard to read for those of us with old people eyes.

I'm 36 and I struggled to read it.

... Wait, 36 isn't old is it??

Re: A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

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Post by downrightmike »

noelsusman wrote: post #134

I am once again asking privacy advocates to try sounding normal for once. Trying to make a browser accessing your timezone sound nefarious isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

That's what helped L figure out Kira was in Japan, and likely a student given the times of deaths, in Death Note. Ruled out 7.8 billion people in one step
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