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New York state set to ban law enforcement, including ICE, from wearing masks

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Re: New York state set to ban law enforcement, including ICE, from wearing masks

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Post by jfengel »

SilverElfin wrote: post #2

This will have no effect on ICE. A state can’t regulate a federal police force. I also don’t get the obsession of democrat politicians with protecting illegal immigrants. I don’t support ICE’s violation of constitutional rights or brutality. But blue states and cities are also just being obstructionist and sheltering criminals. It’s not unreasonable to deport illegal immigrants and this is going to hurt the chance of…

The vast majority of the people being swept up are not criminals. ICE has been extremely violent, including at least two dead American citizens. It has had an enormous terrorizing effect on all Latinos, including citizens.

Latino voters swung Republican in 2024, but belatedly seem to have figured out that he actually meant what he said. Polling shows that opposing ICE is popular among Latinos, and is likely to boost Democratic chances this fall.

There are also plenty of things working against them, including gerrymandering which is apparently illegal only in blue states. So it's difficult to predict at the moment.

Re: New York state set to ban law enforcement, including ICE, from wearing masks

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Post by chadgpt2 »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #3

California's similar law was struck down by court on the basis that states can't legislate federal agencies. https://calmatters.org/justice/2026/04/immigration-mask-ban-... > An 1890 Supreme Court case provides that a state cannot prosecute federal law enforcement officers acting in the course of their duties. > The law also ran headlong into the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, which holds that states may not r…

It was my understanding that if a federal officer breaks a state law, such as murdering someone, the state can arrest them.

Re: New York state set to ban law enforcement, including ICE, from wearing masks

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Post by chadgpt2 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #9
defrost wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criminals or as yet undocumented immigrants who have yet to complete their paperwork given the slow grind of US processing? Other countries deal with such things by immediately granting an in processing status. The US appears to have a cartoonish approach to good / evil that's just comical from a distance.

Those who go through the official migration paths - in the U.S.A. or elsewhere, doesn't matter - are not "illegal aliens" so that word play with "as yet undocumented immigrants" doesn't hold. People who are waiting for their paperwork to go through the official channels will have some form of proof of their application status. If they were told they could await the results while in the U.S.A they're not illegal alien…

Doesn't matter anyway since ICE also targets legal migrants, permanent residents, and citizens.

Re: New York state set to ban law enforcement, including ICE, from wearing masks

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Post by zen928 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #2

This will have no effect on ICE. A state can’t regulate a federal police force. I also don’t get the obsession of democrat politicians with protecting illegal immigrants. I don’t support ICE’s violation of constitutional rights or brutality. But blue states and cities are also just being obstructionist and sheltering criminals. It’s not unreasonable to deport illegal immigrants and this is going to hurt the chance of…

Enforcement of federal law is not the duty of the states, and refusing cooperation is not the same thing as obstructing federal law itself. It really is not difficult to understand why people do not want federal agencies demanding compliance outside proper jurisdictional limits, due process, or chain of custody protections.

Much like the shortsighted reliance on executive orders as a substitute for legislation, critiques of sanctuary cities often boil down to the assumption that the federal government should be able to override local autonomy whenever politically convenient. But the entire constitutional structure exists to place limits on government power, not remove them whenever those limits become inconvenient. "Its not unreasonable to deport illegal immigrants" is a remedial, one dimensional view.

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Post by apple4ever »

chadgpt2 wrote: post #12
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #3

California's similar law was struck down by court on the basis that states can't legislate federal agencies. https://calmatters.org/justice/2026/04/immigration-mask-ban-... > An 1890 Supreme Court case provides that a state cannot prosecute federal law enforcement officers acting in the course of their duties. > The law also ran headlong into the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, which holds that states may not r…

It was my understanding that if a federal officer breaks a state law, such as murdering someone, the state can arrest them.

Yes but only not in the course of their federal duties.
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