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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by spankalee »

phpnode wrote: post #117
spankalee wrote: post #18

Given all the negative comments here - what is anyone's alternate solution for AI-driven fraudulent activity? CAPTCHAs are increasingly ineffective. Services are either going to go offline or implement some kind of system like this. PII like credit cards or SSNs aren't enough because those are regularly stolen. So where do things go? Fewer services and infinite fraud?

Why do you continue to extend the benefit of the doubt to your former employer when they have shown themselves to be untrustworthy again and again?

For one, I got to see how utterly insane and off-base many of the conspiracy theories around Chrome were compared to reality.

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Post by Terretta »

alex_duf wrote: post #56
munchler wrote: post #51

I think this is the third HN link I've clicked on in a row that leads to an LLM-generated article. I'm not opposed to AI, but I'm tired of seeing it quietly substituted for human thought and expression.

I'm seeing this stance a lot "this is obviously AI generated" Why? What's LLM generated? How can you tell? To me what's obvious is that our trust system is already breaking down. Commenters accusing each other of being AIs is also another example of this.

Look at the number of : per paragraph. What human puts two : in a single sentence?

"One additional failure worth noting: one incident response professional in the HN thread, raised a concern that operates independently of the bot problem: …"

The ersatz Ted Talk meets LinkedInfluencer rhythm of sentences, the throat clearing fillers as connective tissue…

Or Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

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Post by narrator »

xenophonf wrote: post #45
Havoc wrote: post #24

Whether it's AMP or manifest 3 or android source shenanigan or attempts to replace cookies with their FLOC nonsense or this...Google is rapidly turning into a malicious force when it comes to the open internet

I'm amused at how thoroughly Google adopted Microsoft's playbook. Chrome supplanted Internet Explorer by embracing the open web. But then Google immediately started on extensions, and now they're trying to extinguish the open web with nonsense like Cloud Fraud Defense. All very smoothly done. I mean, people are actually _asking_ for this junk. I'm impressed.

If I may tie this into other things going on, The California wealth tax as written would force Larry and Sergei, if they didn't move out of California, to basically sell almost their entire stake in Google, and it would probably wind up owned by State Street and Vanguard who outsource their proxy votes to ESG consultants, who will probably vote for more surveillance.

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Post by Velocifyer »

ribtoks wrote: post #170
Velocifyer wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that the Ai copied the $30 number from my hacker news comments. However in the USA it is true. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Straight-Talk-Motorola-Moto-g-202... (carrier locks don't matter for this usecase.) I am not sure that that storing unique device identifiers is legal in the EU.

I remembered $30 from some comment I read, but didn't look for it later. If it was yours, thank you! (def. thank you for the Wallmart link! - would you like a credit in the blogpost like a quote?

>would you like a credit in the blogpost like a quote?

Yes.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by CursedSilicon »

vel0city wrote: post #177
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is a monopoly by extending the internet in ways that force users into chrome. Due to market share and Google's prevalence, they have the sway to introduce things that cannot meaningfully be avoided without extreme siloing.

Outside of WebUSB I personally haven't meaningfully been impacted in any ways. Can you share which ways this is? Note, this is separate from a "so many things are just Chromium", which I agree is an issue, but isn't the same as a " Google Chrome is a monopoly ". Because in the end there are still many non-Chrome browsers which support WebUSB which do not end up with a lot of the downsides of Chrome specifically about…

Ah, the "this doesn't fit my very specific technicality argument"

You know full well what people mean when they say "Chrome"

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Post by ranger_danger »

vel0city wrote: post #113
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rapidly becoming Always has been. Google was creating cartels like the "Open Handset Alliance" literally decades ago. Via their control of Chrome and Search which are both monopolies, Google holds absolute authority on how websites are rendered and if websites can be found.

It cracks me up when people say Chrome is a monopoly, because a massive amount of computing devices do not even ship with Chrome. Windows computers, Macbooks, and iPhones require users go search out and install Chrome on their own out of their own volition, shipping with entirely functional and decent browsers out of the box that they have lots of patterns to push. Even many Android phones ship with browsers other th…

> Windows computers

Ship with a chromium fork called Edge

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Post by BizarroLand »

afpx wrote: post #178
pietervdvn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, same. It is hard; we start to need a collective boycott. We can all do our part, by using their products as little as possible, contribute to open alternatives (OpenStreetMap, Fediverse, Linux, Nextcloud...) and by stimulating our (non-techie!) friends and family. But it is a lot of work :(

They're trying to block your ability to boycott. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

Those are specifically targeted to boycotts of Israel, which ties it to anti-racial discrimination law.

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Post by fg137 »

a2128 wrote: post #136
stronglikedan wrote: post #118

Why should I even care anymore? I no longer need to access random websites to find information since I can just ask the AIs.

Are you genuinely asking? To pay your taxes, order items online, access your bank account, log into your favorite AI service, there are very often CAPTCHAs involved. Try going a month with CAPTCHAs blocked in uBlock Origin, and you will find yourself unable to do many basic things.

Not saying this is any better, but IRS partnered with id.me to enforce ID + face recognition before you can log in to view your records. We are truly doomed.

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Post by moritzwarhier »

jeroenhd wrote: post #131

I saw this coming from miles away. Computers are better at solving CAPTCHAs than people are and people can be bribed or convinced to join botnets so IP whitelisting doesn't work either. Now we have tons of fingerprinting and behaviour analysis but governments are cracking down on that. Plus, YouTube had a massive ad fraud problem with ads being played back in the background in embedded videos, so their detection clea…

> saw this coming from miles away. Computers are better at solving CAPTCHAs than people are

good point... it's interesting how Captcha was initially popularized as a reverse Turing test, but it's just variants of Proof of Work today.

And it seemed clever at the time for Google to leverage this for improvement of their OCR models (it was!), and makes you wonder what utility is derived from the proven "work" today.

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